Author Topic: More Spitfires?! (Read 4458 times)

SgtPappy · « **on:** January 14, 2008, 10:23:41 PM »

HAH! No way, we have enough as it is. Maybe a Spit XII one day but not now.

Now that I've got your achtung (spitfire), why not a Seafire III, since it was the most common Seafire out there, or at least a Seafire IIc with corrected boost settings of +16 lbs. boost.

Seafire F.III's and L.III's entered service mid-war, near the end of 1943. Better prop blade, manually folding wings (which isn't modeled but will add to weight and thus change performance) than the Seafire IIc. Its 1470 - 1585 hp Merlin 55 (M depending on which is modeled) along with the 4-blade prop is unique to the Spit/Seafire line and the plane is probably going to have different flight and performance characteristics compared to other Spits.

I have not been able to find a weight figure (the most common auw being ~ 7100 lbs. but that's contradicted by the game's Seaf IIc which has an auw of 7063 lbs. yet with no folding wings), but if its lighter than the IX and heavier than the V, that will amount to some interesting energy fighting qualities.

Forgive my dweebery, this hasn't been talked about in a while and I'm finding the Seafire IIc to be just as important as the more common but slightly less battle-hardened Seafire III.

EDIT: Seafire III's had manually folding wings which may be the only reason for the tiny weight diff. when compared to the Seafire IIc.

waystin2 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 15, 2008, 05:36:56 AM »

Yep.

Bruv119 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 15, 2008, 05:45:16 AM »

I would like to see the latewar Spit XXI (perked of course)

"March 1944 saw the prototype Mk XXI take to the air with a Griffon 61 engine. It was capable of giving over 2,000 hp and the aircraft was taken on as a high altitude air superiority fighter with a forecasted speed of over 470 mph. Sadly the prototype could only reach 450 mph and so the aircraft proved to be a disappointment. At the end of World War Two only 120 Mk XXI Spitfires had been built, all with the return of the older style cockpit and canopy."

Latrobe · « **Reply #3 on:** January 15, 2008, 01:04:07 PM »

You can never have enough Spitfires!! We need MOOOORRRREEEE!!!

Yeager · « **Reply #4 on:** January 15, 2008, 01:19:23 PM »

AirFlyer · « **Reply #5 on:** January 15, 2008, 02:28:23 PM »

Get the Spitfire MCCCXXXVII!

Denholm · « **Reply #6 on:** January 15, 2008, 02:29:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Latrobe
You can never have enough Spitfires!! We need MOOOORRRREEEE!!!

Amen to that!:t

Bronk · « **Reply #7 on:** January 15, 2008, 03:11:48 PM »

All I heard was spit XII. The rest is just filler.

BaldEagl · « **Reply #8 on:** January 15, 2008, 03:24:37 PM »

About the only one missing that I'd like to see is the Mk VC with 4x20mm's, or one of the other 4x20mm C variants (perked of course).

The XII was actually a predecessor to the XIV which we already have (but may still be worth having in-game) while the 21 barely saw service (1945 intro).

Bronk · « **Reply #9 on:** January 15, 2008, 03:31:50 PM »

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Originally posted by BaldEagl

The XII was actually a predecessor to the XIV which we already have (but may still be worth having in-game) while the 21 barely saw service (1945 intro).

Bzzzzzt the Mk XII was designed as a low mid alt fighter. Engine was set up for this purpose as was the clipped wings

While the Mk.XIV was the high alt fighter. More boost at high alt and full span wings.

SgtPappy · « **Reply #10 on:** January 15, 2008, 07:13:01 PM »

Technically both the Spitfire Mk.21 and Seafire Mk.XV saw service before the war ended. So did the Bearcat. Unfortunately neither actually 'saw combat' and therefore, were not valid to hold the title of 'served'.

The XII would be great but I'd like to see that added when everything else is done since it's more like sprinkles on top of the cake. The Seafire L.III though was the most common Seafire ever built in WWII and it did fight and see combat. It participated in the ETO, the MTO and the PTO and deserves a spot somewhere.

It's also unique in being the only 'Spit' to enter combat with a Merlin 55M and a 4-bladed prop. It will likely climb almost like a Spitfire LF IX un to around 6000 feet I believe, or around that figure.
EDIT: It can carry 4x rockets typical of the design found on Typhoons, and a 500 lb bomb like the current Seafire.

The perk option for the 4x 20mm Vc would make sense, but some extra drag modeling would be put on its Volkes filter... I've never seen a Spitfire Vc enter combat with 4x 20mm without a Volkes.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 15, 2008, 09:53:08 PM »

Someone say Spitfire XII?

Spit 21 had very limited use out of England with 91 Squadron at the very end. They flew some patrols over Holland. They lost 2 to flak and claimed a midget sub they shot up.

XII was much more of an active participant. And as much as I love Spits, the notion of a 4 cannon Spit doesn't work for me. Too many folks hiding behind 4 cannons as it is.

Seafire LFIII would be nice as it's got more skinning options and was optimized for the low alt stuff. XV again just wasn't involved, and I like the XV as it's the navy version of the XII and I'm a Spit XII junkie.

The prototype Spit XII DP845 banks away from Charles Brown's Camera. DP845 being flown by Battle of Britain vet and Supermarine Service Test Pilot F/L Clive Gosling. October 16, 1943. Ain't she purty?

SgtPappy · « **Reply #12 on:** January 15, 2008, 10:05:47 PM »

Heheh only a matter of time till Guppy had to open his big mouth/database of twelvefires.

If the Seafire XV managed to fight that last battle over Tokyo Bay on the 15th of August, 1945 in the stead of those Seafire L.III's, there would be no doubt as to what aircraft would be my favourite. But, as it is, the Seafire III, though slow wasa great climber with much firepower, and if the weight was actually ~ 7100 - 7200 lbs all up, it's pretty maneuverable as well.

I'd settle for that.

It's got better range than most Mk.XII's too, Gupp

Treize69 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 15, 2008, 10:07:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Guppy35
Ain't she purty?

Nope. Hideous. Whats with all that oil streaking out the bottom?

Bruv119 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 16, 2008, 01:37:05 AM »

I still think we should have a perk option for 20mm spits just make it pretty silly. Say 50-100 perks for the extra cannon.

Has anyone got any figures on the amount of 3 cannon armed LA7's that fought?