More Spitfires?!

[Banshee7]

Originally posted by SgtPappy
Thanks Bronk.

Banshee,
If you don't like the plane say so. If there the Spitfire's a dweeb ride, pretty much everyone in the game is a dweeb because someone's always going to say there's another plane harder to fly. And why the hell whould everyone want to just go to some other plane that's harder to fly? "cuz we're manly and thus cannot afford to let go of our egos! RAWWR!"

Since you didn't even realize we had a P-51B/C, you shouldn't even be talking. And don't say that P-51C's were the one's with the Malcolm hoods... P-51C's are designated as such because of where they were built.

Also, clearly, just because you see Mk.IX/VIII/XVI flying around doesn't mean all the Spits are 'dweeby' by your defenition. Try flying the Spitfire Ia/V against the horde and tell me how amazingly easy that is. Shows how much you know about the Spitfire; the Seafire III is most closely connected to the Mk.V.

I admit...Spit5s are not dweeby b/c you have fewer cannon rounds... And the Seafire Mk IIc is basically a Spit5 with extra weight (120 more cannon rounds and DT)  Spits are a good bird, don't get me wrong, they are what i leanred all my basics in and what i started out in.  But everyone needs a change b/c change is good:lol  I'm just saying we have what is it now...5 spits and the Seafire...why add more?  I think the best idea would be to fix some of the current problems we have THEN add a few more planes.

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Banshee7

[Wes14]

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by Guppy35
ID'd as IIcs not IIIs.  I think these were the images Kev was referring to.

4 blade props, late IIcs I think

Not neccessarily late IIc's, they started the L IIc with the Merlin 32 in late Nov 42.
The IIc was only produced from Sept - Nov 1942.

[SgtPappy]

Originally posted by Banshee7
I admit...Spit5s are not dweeby b/c you have fewer cannon rounds... And the Seafire Mk IIc is basically a Spit5 with extra weight (120 more cannon rounds and DT)  Spits are a good bird, don't get me wrong, they are what i leanred all my basics in and what i started out in.  But everyone needs a change b/c change is good:lol  I'm just saying we have what is it now...5 spits and the Seafire...why add more?  I think the best idea would be to fix some of the current problems we have THEN add a few more planes.

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Banshee7

Bansee,

I definitely agree with you there. Apologies for my harsh attitude earlier. I'm not saying the the Seafire should be highest priority. If you take a look at my other posts, the Italian planes and an Axis equivalent of a C-47 (maybe a a Ju-52) has always been at the top of my list.

And change is good! Most people start flying the Spit to improve in the game, but others play the game for the Spitfire, like me, while others play for other planes, be it a P-51, F4U or whatever. I've flown about as many F4U sorties as Spitfire sorties myself.

I mean, it's all about flying what you like. I just find it respectable when people fly what they like because they like it, not because it's 'uber'. If I had that 'uber' mentality, I'd be flying the La-7 instead of the Spitfire IX, but many veterans, Canadians, books and movies have inspired me to fly the Spit V/VIII/IX and I wouldn't give up honour for them any day.

[Masherbrum]

We don't need anymore Spits.   We have enough, and the ONLY one worth mentioning is the Mk. I.   The rest are for the inept.  

But we should get:

I.A.R. 81c
Buffalo
Pee-39
Mig-3

and the PBY.

Then we could get more craft that would be "redundant".   To fill the Arenas with Spits, 109's and like American craft, is to create a stale environment.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Banshee7
It actually was but my understanding is that it was only produces AFTER  WW2:(

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Banshee7

You've been talking to Hoarch  Talking about and potential mockups does not an active fighter make

Never happened, never produced.

The 80th Headhunters modified one 38 in the field that there is photo evidence of with 6 50s in the nose, and the cannon removed.  That's about as close as you might come to a strafer.

[SgtPappy]

Masherbrum, again, the Seafire III is not the priority here.

It'd be great if we could have it since it's a more accurate representation of the Seafire line. Whether you like the Spit or not, this is a fact.

I'd agree that adding it now would be stupid, but it should be added some time to show a more accurate picture of the Seafire.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
We don't need anymore Spits.   We have enough, and the ONLY one worth mentioning is the Mk. I.   The rest are for the inept.  

But we should get:

I.A.R. 81c
Buffalo
Pee-39
Mig-3

and the PBY.

Then we could get more craft that would be "redundant".   To fill the Arenas with Spits, 109's and like American craft, is to create a stale environment.

Hey!  One can dream

This one would get me out of the 38:aok

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Guppy35
Hey!  One can dream

This one would get me out of the 38:aok

Droooooooool:aok

[Treize69]

Originally posted by Guppy35
Hey!  One can dream

This one would get me out of the 38:aok

Well, with you in it, at least that would be a spit I could kill.

[Banshee7]

Originally posted by SgtPappy
Bansee,

I definitely agree with you there. Apologies for my harsh attitude earlier. I'm not saying the the Seafire should be highest priority. If you take a look at my other posts, the Italian planes and an Axis equivalent of a C-47 (maybe a a Ju-52) has always been at the top of my list.

And change is good! Most people start flying the Spit to improve in the game, but others play the game for the Spitfire, like me, while others play for other planes, be it a P-51, F4U or whatever. I've flown about as many F4U sorties as Spitfire sorties myself.

I mean, it's all about flying what you like. I just find it respectable when people fly what they like because they like it, not because it's 'uber'. If I had that 'uber' mentality, I'd be flying the La-7 instead of the Spitfire IX, but many veterans, Canadians, books and movies have inspired me to fly the Spit V/VIII/IX and I wouldn't give up honour for them any day.

Apology accepted sir.  I believe it was about 4 months ago that i posted on the wishlist about adding the JU-52 or other transports (vehicles as well) to give us a bigger option on what goon to choose:lol

And on the flying what you like thing....i totally agree.  I've been a WW2 geek all my life (studied it, played the games, and talked to real pilots, infantrymen, etc..) and I've always been attracted to the P38, P51, and F4U.

A friend and I came up with a new definition for "dweeb ride".
   Dweeb Ride- A plane that you are very good in, or you have the skill to fly it.         Reason behind this...whatever plane you fly, if someone gets killed they are ALWAYS gonna whine about it on 200:lol

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Banshee7

[SgtPappy]

haha, smooth definition .. maybe it should be someone's sig.

And hopefully we'll see that Ju-52 soon enough.

Guppy,
I got a question for you. I asked Karnak the same thing but I guess he didn't see the comment. Since you know so much about Spitfires I was wondering about your opinion of a Spitfire VIII's handling vs. a Spitfire IX's handling, given that they are both at 25% fuel config. with the VIII's wing tanks drained (as well as the extra fuel it carries in the main BTM tank).

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by SgtPappy
haha, smooth definition .. maybe it should be someone's sig.

And hopefully we'll see that Ju-52 soon enough.

Guppy,
I got a question for you. I asked Karnak the same thing but I guess he didn't see the comment. Since you know so much about Spitfires I was wondering about your opinion of a Spitfire VIII's handling vs. a Spitfire IX's handling, given that they are both at 25% fuel config. with the VIII's wing tanks drained (as well as the extra fuel it carries in the main BTM tank).

Jeffrey Quill always said the Spit LFVIII was the best of the Merlin Spits.

That being said, a Spit LFVIII vs a Spit LFIX with a tail tail and the same tropical filters is probably going to be a toss up with the VIII being just a bit heavier with the retractable tail wheel and the empty wing fuel tanks.

I don't know that the short span ailerons were ever proven to have made much of a difference.  As I understand it, they were done to lessen the flex in the aileron.  Clearly the XIV got those, but the XII didn't, the XVI didn't and the late IXs didn't so it couldn't have been anything earth shattering.

For the most part the IX stayed home while the tropicalized and longer range VIII went overseas because of those benefits.

Not sure that answers the question though

[SgtPappy]

Thanks, Guppy, it does help me in my quest of better understanding   I'm going to need to perform some tests later on to see if the VIII maneuvers around as well. How I miss using the H2H sky-spawn as a testing ground.

Hah, it must make you real giddy to hear that Quill's favourite Spit was the XII.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by SgtPappy
Thanks, Guppy, it does help me in my quest of better understanding   I'm going to need to perform some tests later on to see if the VIII maneuvers around as well. How I miss using the H2H sky-spawn as a testing ground.

Hah, it must make you real giddy to hear that Quill's favourite Spit was the XII.

What Quill said was his favorite Spitfire was DP845 which was the prototype Spit IV later XII.  So it's kinda like he said Spit XII.  Had a chance to correspond with him way back when and he said it in a letter too, so I've got it in print

Spit folks know DP845 mainly from the photos of it taken in October 43 when it had clipped wings, the larger Spinner and tall tail, but it started with full span wings, small tail and small spinner, and a Griffon II.  It only looked like an XII for a reasonably short time and when those photos were taken it was running a Griffon VI that was used in the Seafire XV.

Early DP845, no guns, small tail and spinner.


May 42 DP845 with 6 cannon mock up.  Can you imagine the whines?


DP845 late 42 when she finally made Spit XII prototype shot of the clipped wings and larger spinner.  I think this is the DP845 that was Quill's favorite