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Offline Karnak

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There are essentially no fighters left to add to AH that will compete with the top fighters already in AH.  The best bets are thing like the G.55, Yak-3, P-39 (coming), J2M3 and maybe Ki-44.  P-61 and Me410 would see use as ground attack.  But none of these will threaten to unseat the P-51D, Spitfire Mk XVI, La-7 or N1K2.  Nor would I expect them to unseat secondaries like the Bf109K-4, Typhoon, Spitfire Mk VIII and so on.

What does this mean?  It means that you should stop objecting when so-called "Hangar Queens" are added as nothing is left that can't be defined as such by somebody.
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2008, 02:15:09 PM »
I agree.  At this point any new plane is good.  However...the past 2 have been allied so it would be nice if the next was axis.  :)

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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2008, 02:45:23 PM »
Trying to figure out who has more birds, the IJN or the IJA?  I'd like to
see a Judy or a Dinah..even a Betty.

       I do think mid-war Axis could use a few more..but anything we get is
gravy.:)
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2008, 02:54:16 PM »
Agreed... Just because a "pet" aircraft isn't in the planeset, many will whine that this or that should be added... and any addition other than their favorite, obscure, little produced/used airplane will be a "hanger queen"  My favorite are the guys that clamor for the Brewster Buffalo or other 1920's designed open cockpit aircraft thet were obsolete in 1939.

I welcome the addition of any and all aircraft that saw combat in WW2! Kudos to HTC on the upcoming introduction of the 39Q!

Let's all start screaming for armed GeeBees, or Staggerwings...
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2008, 03:11:03 PM »
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Let's all start screaming for armed GeeBees, or Staggerwings...

I-16s, Gladiators, I-153s and CR.42s?
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2008, 04:03:28 PM »
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Trying to figure out who has more birds, the IJN or the IJA?  I'd like to
see a Judy or a Dinah..even a Betty.

       I do think mid-war Axis could use a few more..but anything we get is
gravy.:)


Agreed.  An Oscar would be a nice addition.

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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2008, 04:06:31 PM »
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Originally posted by Rino
Trying to figure out who has more birds, the IJN or the IJA?  I'd like to
see a Judy or a Dinah..even a Betty.

       I do think mid-war Axis could use a few more..but anything we get is
gravy.:)


I'd also like to see a few more early and mid-war Soviet planes.


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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2008, 04:08:45 PM »
Where's Arlo to list off the Spanish Civil War planeset :)
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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2008, 04:10:20 PM »
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I-16s, Gladiators, I-153s and CR.42s?


Hey... I WANT the I-16... so here we go with my little I-16 spiel again...

I've been begging for this thing forever.

The Polikarpov I-16 was produced in both high and low wing monoplane versions, both with and without enclosed cockpits, and in both single and two set trainer versions.  Quite the versitile airframe.



General characteristics
• Crew: one pilot
• Length: 6.13 m (20.1 ft)
• Wingspan: 9.00 m (29.5 ft)
• Height: 2.25 m (7.38 ft)
• Wing area: 14.54 m² (156.5 ft²)
• Empty weight: 1,383 kg (3,049 lb)
• Loaded weight: 1,882 kg (4,149 lb)
• Max takeoff weight: 2,050 kg (4,520 lb)
• Powerplant: 1× Shvetsov M-63 air-cooled radial engine, 670 kW (900 hp) driving a two-blade propeller
Performance
• Maximum speed: 460 km/h (290 mph)
• Range: 440 km (275 mi)
• Service ceiling: 9,700 m (31,800 ft)
• Rate of climb: 14.7 m/s (2,900 ft/min)
• Wing loading: 129 kg/m² (26 lb/ft²)
• Power/mass: 0.36 kW/kg (0.22 hp/lb)
Armament
• 4× fixed forward-firing 7.62 mm (.30 cal) ShKAS machine guns, a total of 3,100 rounds of ammunition.
• 6× RS-82 rockets or up to 100 kg (220 lb) of bombs

Built from 1933 through 1941 with over half still in service in 1943 the Polikarpov IL-16 was a historically significant aircraft. I was the worlds first monoplane fighter, the first with retractable landing gear, and the first with a closed cockpit (some versions). It was built in many varients over it's lifespan but the type 24 was the most used varient in WWII. The type 28 replaces two of the 7.62 mm ShKAS with to 20mm ShVAK cannons.
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Re: An introduction to reality for people who object to "Hangar Queens"
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2008, 04:19:32 PM »
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Originally posted by Karnak
There are essentially no fighters left to add to AH that will compete with the top fighters already in AH.  The best bets are thing like the G.55, Yak-3, P-39 (coming), J2M3 and maybe Ki-44.  P-61 and Me410 would see use as ground attack.  But none of these will threaten to unseat the P-51D, Spitfire Mk XVI, La-7 or N1K2.  Nor would I expect them to unseat secondaries like the Bf109K-4, Typhoon, Spitfire Mk VIII and so on.

What does this mean?  It means that you should stop objecting when so-called "Hangar Queens" are added as nothing is left that can't be defined as such by somebody.


Not to mention that someone called the B25 with over 6,000 kills a hangar queen.  The 190-d9 has about 13,000 kills.  Given that one is a bomber and the other a picking machine, the B25 is hardly a hangar queen :rofl
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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2008, 04:27:11 PM »
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I'd also like to see a few more early and mid-war Soviet planes.


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Re: Re: An introduction to reality for people who object to "Hangar Queens"
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2008, 04:29:21 PM »
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Not to mention that someone called the B25 with over 6,000 kills a hangar queen.  The 190-d9 has about 13,000 kills.  Given that one is a bomber and the other a picking machine, the B25 is hardly a hangar queen :rofl


Now that's just downright sad!  The A20G is about the same. Both with almost 5K more kills then the 38G.



Leave my hanger queen alone! :)
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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2008, 04:30:12 PM »
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Polikarpov I-16 blah blah blah...


Not to mention about 7,000 of them were built prior to 1943. Even if you want to say it was outclassed by the start of Barbarossa, it was still numerically very important for another 2 years after that.

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Now that's just downright sad!  The A20G is about the same. Both with almost 5K more kills then the 38G.



Leave my hanger queen alone! :)


No no no, it is not the plane remember?  It is the pilot :rofl :rofl :rofl
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No no no, it is not the plane remember?  It is the pilot :rofl :rofl :rofl


Are you suggesting that if I could shoot  better, the 38G would have more kills?!?  How dare you impune the character of the P38G based on my lousy piloting skills!:furious
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