McCain vs. Presidential requirements

[AKIron]

My youngest daughter was born in Okinawa while I was stationed there. She is considered to be a natural born citizen of the US.

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by Yeager
to ever have it wholeheartedly say it's one nation, indivisible, anymore.
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In my unscientific opinion 20 out of 100 people are arch-cons, 20 out of 100 are arch-libs...the 60 left over are the moderates.  Those are the people, and the greater good, that stand to benefit the most from a moderate platform in government, which is where the country needs to balance itself.  I happen to think McCain is the most capable candidate running.  Most likely wrong but thats how I see it.

And remember this one?

On July 20th 1993, barely six months into his first term, Clinton proposed lifting the ban on homosexuals in the military.

That came out of the blue.  No one ran on that platform,  It wasn't even discussed during the election.  Thr proposal to lift that ban is when most people went  WTF?  Thats what started the great divide in the country.  It energized the hell out of the arch libs and even the average non political types were alarmed by that move.  Everything went down hill from there.  That is when I perceived the beginning of political extremism taking more of a role in mainstream politics.

The 60 left over aren't saying, or don't care. They aren't moderates;When enough things' happen, they come out to one side or another.

It wasn't just the ban on Homosexuals' that did it. It was the passage of NAFTA, The Whitewater affair, Vincent Fosters' mysterious death, His Assault weapon ban, His gifting big bunches' of money to Mexico, all kinds' of things.

The Monica Lewinsky affair was just the icing on the cake. And I don't mean the affair itself, It was the failure to impeach him.

Now, I'm gonna point out, With all this in perspective, what is there to explain the numbers' that have been generated at the polls? Why are so many, even with the stigma of what happened' during the B.C. Administration, willing to vote in the person who was there right along through it all...Hillary Clinton?

A moderate candidate might be out there. That might help. But I don't think the political rift in this country will ever close.

[john9001]

the numbers i found are 30% are hard core republican base, 30% are hard core democratic base and the 40% in the middle are the swing voters that really decide the election.

[Yeager]

It was the failure to impeach him.
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Clinton was impeached.  The congress impeached him.  The senate failed to convict.  He would have been removed from office had the senate convicted him.

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by Yeager
It was the failure to impeach him.
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Clinton was impeached.  The congress impeached him.  The senate failed to convict.  He would have been removed from office had the senate convicted him.

And by that, I mean the failure. It sent a message to everyone in the U.S.  To the majority of the people, many felt that the gov't. really didn't have any power outside of the oval office. To those in gov't. it meant that they had a very good chance of getting away with any damn thing they please.

[cpxxx]

I checked my bookmaker's website, McCain is now joint favourite at 13/8 with Obama. Bookies are never wrong. But I can't see Obama becoming president. Some lunatic would shoot him first.

So it's President McCain, get used to it.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
No, I mean it is far too early for them to mean much.  Let's revisit this thread after the election.  One of us can relish in being right.
 I don't know what your problem is... but I don't care either.  I'm guessing your a black person with a chip on his shoulder for anyone that has anything remotely negative to say about Obama.

OK, this made me laugh this morning.

1. I'm not Black, but members of my family are.
2. I've never made a secret of the fact that I support Hillary NOT Obama.
3. Problem? I guess my problem is that I don't think like you, or lazs, yet I still refuse to have my political ideals marginalized through ignorance. I like both of you guys, and I would buy the 1st round if we ever made it to the same saloon, but I'm pretty tired of the "Liberal=Evil" BS. So if I have a problem it is that people like me are constantly attacked with labels instead of ideas.

Have a nice day.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Why are so many, even with the stigma of what happened' during the B.C. Administration, willing to vote in the person who was there right along through it all...Hillary Clinton?
 

And you conveniently forget that Clinton left office with a 60% approval rating.

[lazs2]

mt.. I like you too..  until you try to take from me by force.   There is nothing wrong with me saying that liberalism is evil..  I ask nothing of liberals except to leave me alone..   it is the socialists who can't leave me alone.  so who is the bad guy here?

You are welcome to pay more on your income tax to help support any hair brained scheme you "feel" is a good idea.. when you.. or you have others.. take it from me at the point of a gun... well.. then it gets a little less friendly.

I am not against any voluntary program.   I am not against some level of defense or some level of keeping the courts in working condition or even in one federal police force.   The rest of it...   no thanks.  

lazs

[bsdaddict]

back to McCain...  I was looking into the rumors regarding the blackmail-worthy dirt that Hillary supposedly has on McCain and came across this site, http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/.   wow, this guy just gets uglier and uglier the more I learn about him...

[lazs2]

so you like the democrats more?

You are doing what you accused the rest of us of doing.. you are demonizing the best candidate (paul is out of it).   You seem to be big on helping billary osamabama machine..

Is it just spite?

I didn't make you invest so much of your life into ron paul.. you lost.. get over it.

help us keep the worst candidate out.

I voted for paul in the primaries by the way.

lazs

[moot]

Lazs I think he's saying McCain is dirty, not that Hillary is better.

[bsdaddict]

Originally posted by lazs2
so you like the democrats more?

not really.  I dislike 'em all, almost equally...    Welfare state vs. warfare state, both mean the end of the America we love.  Mainly, I'm just saying that 100-year-war-McCain ain't gonna save the GOP.  He's not the "straight-talk express" he likes to call himself, he's not conservative, and now there's rumors (not saying they're true...) regarding his POW record.  There's nothing that will guarantee a Hillobama victory more than McCain as the GOP nominee.  (IMO)

You are doing what you accused the rest of us of doing.. you are demonizing the best candidate (paul is out of it).   You seem to be big on helping billary osamabama machine..

is it possible to demonize a demon?  

Is it just spite?

no, just a major dislike for McCain.  If I were to vote for a lesser-evil (which I won't, I'll write Paul in if I have to) it certainly wouldn't be McCain.  At this point my "lesser evil" would be Huckabee, now that Thompson's out.  

I didn't make you invest so much of your life into ron paul.. you lost.. get over it.

it ain't over till it's over.  Also, this isn't just about Paul and it's not just about the 2008 elections.  

help us keep the worst candidate out.

no, the GOP and it's willingness to abandon conservative principles got itself into this mess, it can get itself out.  

I voted for paul in the primaries by the way.

I know, I read that and congratulated you.  I know your heads in the right place and we probably agree on 99% of the issues.   However, keeping the Dem out isn't my #1 priority, I'm just not willing to go the "lesser-evil" route.  I'm sure you've heard "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me..." before.  How many times are you going to let the GOP fool you?

[midnight Target]

The attacks on Kerry's war record made me sick, attacks on McCain's seem even worse. It is time for Americans to collectively put an end to this BS by shunning anyone who chooses to go the route of the rumor mongers. Freedom of speech is critical, but we don't have an obligation to listen.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by midnight Target
OK, this made me laugh this morning.

I'm pretty tired of the "Liberal=Evil" BS. Have a nice day.

These are not rhetorical questions, MT.  I knwo you yo  be reasonable and thoughtful so please help me out here.

What is not "evil" about liberlism to an American? Seriously?

Liberals want to take as much money from me and give it to others. They actually want to lessen my ability to raise my children in a safe and happy environment by taking my money against my will and giving it to others.  Many of these "others" are completely capable of working yet are happy to live off money I've earned, money you've earned. Are you really OK with this?  Do you think it's Ok for the government to decide how I spend my money?

Liberals want to aid and abet those who would live among us yet refuse to assimilate into our society, even though immigrants have been doing so and suceeding for two centuries.  Many of the illegal aliens who refuse to assimilate demand equal rights as citizens.  Why is this fair?  They refuse to assimilate into our culture yet expect our culture to cater to them by offering them social programs and, most heinously, they expect us to accomodate THEM in our society by making our country bilingual.  Yet these people came here illegally and are already a huge drain on our resources.

Liberals  say pretty things like: "The illegal aliens do  jobs our people won't do." You know this to be the BS of which you speak, right? If "our people" won't do these jobs, who the heck was doing them before all the illegal aliens arrived? I've asked this question of many liberals on this board.  Not one can give me a straight answer.

You made it clear that you find liberalism being called "evil" offensive.  Tell me, what's good about liberalism?