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« Reply #90 on: February 06, 2008, 10:03:56 PM »
Karnak you just aren't seeing something that's really obvious.  No other plane can go up a rope and make corrections for (e.g.) three different planes on the way up that rope, this after most planes are already starting to stall out.  No other plane can get tossed around so effectively, nor carry or break into angles like it can.  E.G you can't come out from the top of a vertical and go horizontal right off the bat in any other plane like you can in the XVI.  You can do it in the Zero, but the Zero is made of paper and only does it by virtue of its light weight and at the cost of way more durability and thrust than the XVI sacrifices.

I could go on.. The Spit mk. XVI is like the old Mk. V on steroids.  If it doesn't climb like a 163, it's obvious that's not what I or Motherland meant.
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« Reply #91 on: February 06, 2008, 10:07:33 PM »
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4,700fpm is not even close to holding vertical.  I don't even know if it could hold a 30 degree nose up attitude.

Thus, not a helicopter.  That it is best at climbing does not make it at all a helicopter.

Would you call the Nieuport a helicopter in the context of WWI.



Spit XVI will actually do over 5000fpm no problem at 25% fuel and is the fastest climbing fighter in the game at low alt. Still, no reason the Spit XVI w/18lbs boost should be perked as it can be outrun by many of the late war rides.

The reason the B-20 cannon seems more devastating than the Shvak is that you get 33% greater volume of fire with each burst. Given how devastating 20mm shells are against fighters, that extra 33% could easily be the difference between pinging your target and removing critical parts or making it go boom. Before I joined JG11 I flew the La5 a decent amount among other planes (it was also a great perk farmer when its ENY was still in the 30s). The 2 cannon on the La-5 were certainly plenty lethal, especially at close range. The La-7 certainly wouldn't suffer from having the 3 gun version perked like the F4U-1C or even removed from the game altogether as the Bf 109F with gondolas was.
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« Reply #92 on: February 06, 2008, 10:10:34 PM »
"The Spit mk. XVI is like the old Mk. V on steroids"

...well, I guess the WEP 1720 hp does that in a 7200 lb. fighter, ya, no kidding.

All the "my favorite fighter that climbs well guys" never say jack about "helicopter" stuff.

109G-14, 109K-4, LA-7 < LOL, I could go on.

...you just dont like Spits, thats all.
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« Reply #93 on: February 06, 2008, 10:12:02 PM »
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I could go on.. The Spit mk. XVI is like the old Mk. V on steroids.  If it doesn't climb like a 163, it's obvious that's not what I or Motherland meant.

I disagree.  It is a bull**** argument used to denigrate the Spit XVI and players who fly it by insinuating that the flight model is bull**** and more appropriate to something like "Comanche" or "X-Wing vs TIE Fighter".  That is the context it is most often seen in.  Same for like comments about the N1K2-J.

I maintain said comments are stupid bull**** of biased players.
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« Reply #94 on: February 06, 2008, 10:26:23 PM »
I am biased. I don't like spits at all. I don't like the design itself, and I think they're too much of a crutch for too many players who are only out to wreck good fights in lesser planes..  Maybe I don't keep that bias in check, but my point remains.

While it's definitely BS to use the Spit's superior handling to denigrate it (although I don't see what's denigrating about saying a plane is uber), it's nonetheless accurate to say its performance is hyperbolic compared to a lot of planes.  
I can beat almost any pilot in just about any plane flying the 152 1:1 (provided I don't slip on the hat switch or the joystick doesn't slide around at the wrong time, etc), but the spit16 is like a different game altogether.  

It's like you can do everything you want twice, while every other plane is flying around in slow motion. That's not exagerated.  The only thing it doesn't do well is fly fast on level acceleration.  That shortcoming is more than adequately counter-balanced by its E retention.. And I'm not making that up either, I have a lot of experience managing E in the 152 and other heavy planes.

Squire - What're you trying to say?  No other plane does what the spit16 does while hanging on a thread with the spit16's ease.  There's no comparison.  The only ones that come close are the zekes and other featherweights like the early models.  The 38 is great in the vertical, but it is sluggish.  The tempest and spit14 (K4 homologous) are very spunky, but are also very sluggish and torquey, respectively.  The N1K doesn't react as fast, and the 84 torques too much; its flaps are probably more effective but accounting for the 16's light weight negates this advantage.  La7: tons of thrust and lightweight, but much lesser agility at low speeds.  G14??  Who are you kidding??  
I could go on...
I'm biased but the point I made above isn't.  Give the 16 even more boost and it definitely will be unquestionably hyperbolic. :lol

All that said.. Bring it on.  The more the merrier.  I fly the Spit myself and I like the extra furballing I can do with it compared to say a Ta152, even though I don't like the design at all.  There's no such thing as too much firepower or too much horsepower. P51H, 47M, 190D11, you name it, I'd rather it be in game than not.
Just making sure you realize I'm being honest and impartial here.

Anyway, back on topic :)

I never did find any significant difference (I could never tell if it was just an impression, or fact) between the shvak and B20 guns.  I tried them out when the La7 came out and would switch between one set of guns and the next depending on what targets I expected to run into.
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« Reply #95 on: February 06, 2008, 11:29:21 PM »
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Just one plane closer to the F6F :)



Yeah, WTF!!

LA-5 and LA7 Development???  Hope they perk the shyte out of it.

USN planes need update.  F6F is long overdue.
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« Reply #96 on: February 07, 2008, 12:45:49 AM »
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Yeah, WTF!!

  There are aircraft out there other than American ones you know.  

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LA-5 and LA7 Development???  Hope they perk the shyte out of it.

Why should they perk them?
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USN planes need update.  F6F is long overdue.

You mean like the F4Us?  These are the first Russian aircraft to be updated.

Though I do agree the F6F needs a facelift badly, as does the N1K2-J.
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« Reply #97 on: February 07, 2008, 01:58:40 AM »
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Most Guys claim the La7 is such an easy plane to shoot down.

Why do they want it perked?


Short legs made la7 less common, so it does not need to be perked.

I personally will prefer la7 to have drop tank and be perked.

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« Reply #98 on: February 07, 2008, 02:51:53 AM »
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Yeah, WTF!!

LA-5 and LA7 Development???  Hope they perk the shyte out of it.

USN planes need update.  F6F is long overdue.


Perking planes won't make your kill ratio positif

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« Reply #99 on: February 07, 2008, 03:40:54 AM »
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The reason the B-20 cannon seems more devastating than the Shvak is that you get 33% greater volume of fire with each burst.  


 2 x 1.5 = 3   so its 50% greater volume of fire.
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« Reply #100 on: February 07, 2008, 03:42:29 AM »
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I personally will prefer la7 to have drop tank and be perked.


he's being mischevious again............. there were no drop tanks used on the La7 or the La5FN.
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« Reply #101 on: February 07, 2008, 03:47:17 AM »
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I am biased. I don't like spits at all. I don't like the design itself,

 


Sounds like a lot of pent up luftwannabee angst to me.

British planes built to turn and furball.  German ones to BnZ and pick.

I hope Fester is right and this is the tip of the iceberg keep em coming HTC hard and fast!  


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« Reply #102 on: February 07, 2008, 04:08:09 AM »
Re the control panel I note that a g meter is included.

Is this just HTC policy to always include one? Lavochkins never had them.

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1) System air pressure guage (kg/cm^2)
2)Fuel level guage (litres)
3)Clock
4)Air speed (ASI) (Km/hr)
5)Compass
6)Altitude (m)
7)RPM & Engine hours
8)oil temp(C),oil pressure(kg/cm^2), fuel pressurekg/cm^2)
9)Cylinder head temp (C)
10) Boost pressure (kg/cm^2)
11)Flap angle indicator
12)Gear hydraulics pressure (KG/CM^2)
13)Gear control lever (up = raise, down = lower, always leave in nuetral)
14)Magneto switch
15)gear up/down indicators
16) turn and bank indicator
17)Rate of climb (m/sec)
18)bomb release indicators
19)Circuit breakers

La7 Panel




1)Hydraulics pressure gauge
2)Flap index
3)Landing gear control lever.
4)Brake pressure guage
5)Air system pressure guage
6)electrical switches
7)Landing gear indicator
8)Clock
9)cannon air charging
10)Altimeter
11)Cannon manual/mechanical charging
12)Cockpit vent (N.O)
13)Gun sight
14)Compass
15)Course indicator (N.O)
16)CI reversing switch (N.O)
17)Amperemeter
18)Fual Guage
19)Cockpit light
20)Radio compass switch (N.O)
21)Cylinderhead temp guage
22)Frequency switch
23) Vertical speed indicator
24)Oil temp, Oil pressure & Fuel Pressure guage.
25)Turn & Bank Indicator
26)RPM
27)Boost
28)Airspeed indicator
29)Ignition/magneto switch

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« Reply #103 on: February 07, 2008, 05:51:52 AM »
"I just love how thin those frames are."

Pretty much the same effect that is seen in Spit cpit. For some strange reason the framing of the armoured center part gets thinner at top where as it should actually be thicker pretty much blocking the FW UP view as it does in RL Spit, and as it does not in AH Spit.

Otherwise it looks very good. :aok

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« Reply #104 on: February 07, 2008, 06:15:51 AM »
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Amateur psych eval

Sounds like you can't accept the fact someone wouldn't like the thing..  I think the Fairey Gannet looks great, others don't.  I think French planes mostly looked like mangled crap.
I think the Spit's a really queer design for something designed for warfare, to kill.  I disliked it from day one.
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