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Offline Arlo

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« Reply #75 on: February 07, 2008, 08:09:16 PM »
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Yes, with "change" and "hope". :rolleyes:


Because "change" and "hope" are both bad words and ridiculous sentiments. Obviously anyone who uses them is unrealistic. No ... wait .... that's not a given. It's just what some think is. :)

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« Reply #76 on: February 07, 2008, 08:16:39 PM »
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Please if you are trying to prove a point, NEVER quote wikipedia. If you want to know how wiki works, just go to their website.


Appreciate the advice but I'm well aware of how Wiki works ... per say. It's not a bad source, even so. Case in point ... the very subject I cited. It further cites the various sources comprising the entirety of the material and the Wiki-monitors have cranked up their fact-checking/re-checking.

The knee-jerk response Whiskey gave me for using it as a source doesn't really involve Wiki providing inaccuracies over Jack Kennedy's "obvious" conservativeness as much as it's an attempted slam inferring that before Wiki I never studied or learned a single thing.

Wiki's convenient. Whisky can get over it if he didn't have an ulterior axe to grind. :D

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« Reply #77 on: February 07, 2008, 08:16:59 PM »
obama speaks in cliches, he speaks and yet says nothing.

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« Reply #78 on: February 07, 2008, 08:19:38 PM »
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obama speaks in cliches, he speaks and yet says nothing.


Kinda like you just did? Bashing sentiment for sentimental purpose is such an ironic event. :D

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« Reply #79 on: February 07, 2008, 08:23:19 PM »
actually obama speaks more like arlo. Lots of words that sound good but say nothing.

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« Reply #80 on: February 07, 2008, 08:24:58 PM »
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actually obama speaks more like arlo. Lots of words that sound good but say nothing.


Repeating yourself made you less ironic? No ... wait ....

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« Reply #81 on: February 07, 2008, 08:46:45 PM »
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You see ... that's how presumption works. You presume the only source I've read regarding JFK is Wiki because it happens to be the most convenient to present to you online at a moment's notice. Poor presumption. I'm sorry you're prone to such. You also recommend an encyclopedia as if I've never seen one or have no access to such and that I didn't grow up with the 1965 edition of WB and read it like most kids do comics. Is that supposedly the source you're using to make claim about Kennedy being the equivilent to a modern day neocon? What brand? Whiskey's encyclopedia of political persuasion?

Good luck with that. :aok


You presume too much. I dont care who you like, that is your choice, i also didnt mean to say you were not educated ! You have however failed too answer my question's,
 name a dem. candidate that could run and win the dem. nomination based on JFK's platforms?
 this is a simple thing!
 You also provided no other source material than wiki., then you attacked me for my stance in this matter instead of doing a better job of presenting your position!I see and hear this all the time ,no answers, just insults and personal attack's mostly from people not qualified to answer the questions presented. i like too debate with people who rise above that level
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« Reply #82 on: February 07, 2008, 08:56:47 PM »
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Because "change" and "hope" are both bad words and ridiculous sentiments. Obviously anyone who uses them is unrealistic. No ... wait .... that's not a given. It's just what some think is. :)


If he said anything else to go with it, that would be different. His short, limited voting record says he's as far left/liberal as it gets right now. He offers "change" and "hope" based on "programs" (at best, if based on anything at all) that he can't even begin to explain (or find a way to pay for, without economy crippling taxation). He offers wistful words backed by an absurd voting record, and nothing more. Except a lack of experience, and maybe an overabundance of questionable "charisma", effective only on those charmed into a hypnotic state by wishful thinking.
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« Reply #83 on: February 07, 2008, 09:02:23 PM »
I gotta ask:

Does anyone else see a bit of an uncle tom in him, and also think underneath not even he believes or agrees with the BS that spews out of his pie hole?
I don't know what to put here yet.

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« Reply #84 on: February 07, 2008, 09:34:38 PM »
Arlo, leaving aside the discussion about the mistakes made in planning and implementing the Iraq War, and there has never been a war that was fought without mistakes, a compelling argument can be made that Saddam needed to be taken down, just as post-WWII historians have made compelling arguments that Hitler should have been forcibly confronted or taken down during the mid-1930s.  

As has been revealed in recent weeks, Saddam deliberately attempted to deceive the west into believing he had active wmd development programs.  The U.S. and its allies in Europe were more than willing to believe these deceptions because that fox had, indeed, developed them and used them in the past.  That usage has been well documented, and is seldom disputed.

In addition, the man was a mass-murderer.  Irregardless of the fact that he had been an ally of ours in the past, we should never suffer such a bloody tyrant to remain in power.  I don't buy the argument voiced by some opponents of the war that these things aren't really any of our business, or that it isn't possible to police the world.  To paraphrase a line from Charles Dickens, "Mankind is our business."  Ignoring the evil such men do undermines any moral superiority we may lay claim to.

In the destruction of tyranny and madness I see no wrecklessness but a commitment to the ideals that this nation and its people have always aspired to.  The arguments against intervention voiced by reasonable people which are based on fervent and genuine distaste for armed conflict, have been, unfortunately, undermined by the shrill rantings of a vociferous few that is fueled by their vitriolic hatred of the president....a hatred that, in many cases, dates all the way back to the hotly contested election of 2000.

As you can see from the points I've made above, I do not consider our efforts in Iraq to have been in vain, nor the price we have paid to have been prohibitive.  While the lives of very real people are touched by the loss of each and every casualty, perhaps we need to stop, take a step back from the fray, and remind ourselves what heavy casualty rates can really be like.  In the six years that we have been in Iraq we have suffered a little over 3,500 casualties.  That is roughly half the losses we suffered  in the single month it took to secure the island of Iwo Jima.

As to Obama's comments about Pakistan, I have to wonder exactly what it is he would do about that situation.  Pakistan is a sovereign country that has cooperated to a great extent in the past.  It has many problems to solve in tackling Taliban and al-Qaeda insurgents within its own borders.  Despite its support of us, they have shown a reluctance to allow large numbers of U.S. troops to cross their borders to assist them.  Would Obama send the troops in anyway?  He could activate the regular army units stationed in Europe and send them to Pakistan I suppose, but how would that fit his self-proclaimed image of himself as an opponent of interventionism?

Finally, when John McCain spoke of leaving our troops in Iraq for 100 years, he was merely using a little hyperbole to reiterate his strong support for staying the course until the job was done.  

But I think you already knew that.  Anyway, if the Republicans have been hijacked by extremists then the same might also be said for their democratic opponents.

Regards, Shuckins
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« Reply #85 on: February 07, 2008, 10:08:11 PM »
LoL Arlo..  You bring good entertainment with your crackdowns and anti-pitchfork post! :aok


I understand that Obama has not accepted any money on his campaign from lobbyist and his funds come primarily from average folk donations..  Couldn't this mean we might have a politician NOT in corporate america's pocket?

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« Reply #86 on: February 07, 2008, 10:12:02 PM »
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LoL Arlo..  You bring good entertainment with your crackdowns and anti-pitchfork post! :aok


I understand that Obama has not accepted any money on his campaign from lobbyist and his funds come primarily from average folk donations..  Couldn't this mean we might have a politician NOT in corporate america's pocket?


That would be funny if it weren't so sad. Obama is buying every single vote with taxpayer money.
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« Reply #87 on: February 07, 2008, 11:52:35 PM »
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You presume too much. I dont care who you like, that is your choice, i also didnt mean to say you were not educated ! You have however failed too answer my question's,
 name a dem. candidate that could run and win the dem. nomination based on JFK's platforms?
 this is a simple thing!
 You also provided no other source material than wiki., then you attacked me for my stance in this matter instead of doing a better job of presenting your position!I see and hear this all the time ,no answers, just insults and personal attack's mostly from people not qualified to answer the questions presented. i like too debate with people who rise above that level


Not qualified? As much as you, at least? I'm cut! :D

Obama. Simple answer. Kennedy clone? Pfffft ... mnoooooo. Closest candidate to exhibiting the same spirit? No brainer. U-yeah.

My position? "My position" is I don't see you presenting a case without ramping it up and taking it overboard. If I "failed" anything ... I "failed" to take your stance seriously. That's because you didn't present or support one that deserved it, imo. Bit extreme. Now, if you're done having a "Wiki-cow" perhaps you're ready to show me the "encyclopedia articles" that prove Jack would make a class-a modern-day neocon.

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« Reply #88 on: February 07, 2008, 11:54:40 PM »
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If he said anything else to go with it, that would be different. His short, limited voting record says he's as far left/liberal as it gets right now. He offers "change" and "hope" based on "programs" (at best, if based on anything at all) that he can't even begin to explain (or find a way to pay for, without economy crippling taxation). He offers wistful words backed by an absurd voting record, and nothing more. Except a lack of experience, and maybe an overabundance of questionable "charisma", effective only on those charmed into a hypnotic state by wishful thinking.


Hold. What was the state of the economy/standard of living/quality of life under Bill, again? I see how you feel but I don't see those feelings well-based/placed. ;)

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« Reply #89 on: February 07, 2008, 11:55:40 PM »
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I gotta ask:

Does anyone else see a bit of an uncle tom in him, and also think underneath not even he believes or agrees with the BS that spews out of his pie hole?


Well, I'm sure you see what you wanna see. Not seein' the chips behind a reverse race card building you a winning hand from this seat. ;)