Author Topic: The Nedelin Castastrophe, and communist cover-up (Read 1667 times)

Boroda · « **Reply #60 on:** February 16, 2008, 02:38:51 PM »

Lazs, I am against any form of government myself. It's a tool of oppressing a personality.

My point is that media is much more evil then government. Look at Yugoslavia bombings in 1999, you guys got so brainwashed that you unanimously supported mass murders. Or look at Iraq. In this case media was used by govt, that made it really frightening.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #61 on:** February 16, 2008, 02:54:23 PM »

Boroda I think you should try the tv-series 'Big Brother' you might find yourself right at home at the set. You'd probably win money. A win-win situation no?

Dowding · « **Reply #62 on:** February 16, 2008, 03:14:12 PM »

Lunacy, I knoweth your name.

Boroda · « **Reply #63 on:** February 16, 2008, 03:26:27 PM »

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Boroda I think you should try the tv-series 'Big Brother' you might find yourself right at home at the set. You'd probably win money. A win-win situation no?

We had a "big brother" clone on Russian TV. And we still have some silly shows like that, one was sold to Sony so prepare for more **** on TV.

I mostly watch local news and educational/historical programs, but every year it's getting harder and harder. Now I need a bucket for vomit watching 90% of what is on Russian TV.

One interesting fact: there was no advertisement on Soviet TV. I mean - no commercials at all. One more reason for nostalgy.

john9001 · « **Reply #64 on:** February 16, 2008, 03:38:56 PM »

why would you need commercials, there was nothing to buy.

USSR commercial," bread will be available on Tuesday, get in line now"

KgB · « **Reply #65 on:** February 16, 2008, 07:31:06 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
why would you need commercials, there was nothing to buy.

USSR commercial," bread will be available on Tuesday, get in line now"

You confusing USSR with Africa.

acfireguy26 · « **Reply #66 on:** February 16, 2008, 08:04:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
One simple example: no terror acts media coverage -> no environment for spreading terror -> no terrorism.

There was no terrorism in USSR.

The government was the terror.

Dowding · « **Reply #67 on:** February 17, 2008, 04:40:14 AM »

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One simple example: no terror acts media coverage -> no environment for spreading terror -> no terrorism.

Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.

moot · « **Reply #68 on:** February 17, 2008, 04:49:30 AM »

Ignorance is Strength.

KgB · « **Reply #69 on:** February 17, 2008, 09:12:39 AM »

Not listed in English Wikipedia for some reason

1977,8 January.Explosion in Moscow subway.Terrorists were USSR citizens from Yerevan,Armenia.Stepanyan,Bagdasaryan and Zatikyan.(So called Zatikyan's group).All three were members of illegal nationalistic party "Dashnaktsutyn"

Dashnaktsytyn is oldest Armenian party created in 1890.
In 1994 it became legal again.
That attack was against Communistic regime.

lazs2 · « **Reply #70 on:** February 17, 2008, 09:54:26 AM »

boroda.. I think I am getting what you are saying now.. you believe that the media is so evil that we need the government (which you think is evil) to suppress it (for our own good).

I would just as soon let the media run wild. It they print a lie and it harms people then they need to be sued. Get sued enough and you are out of the game. I think it works well here and in western countries..

Not perfect but certainly better than government censorship.

You can take iraq for instance since you mentioned it.. all the good news is pretty much not reported.. only bad news comes from our left leaning news groups...People are getting sick of the news here.. they are simply tuning out.. newspapers are closing or cutting back. I don't watch the news.. thank god for the internet.

lazs

Boroda · « **Reply #71 on:** February 17, 2008, 02:01:55 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I would just as soon let the media run wild. It they print a lie and it harms people then they need to be sued. Get sued enough and you are out of the game. I think it works well here and in western countries..

Not perfect but certainly better than government censorship.

Masses are uneducated and tend to believe media. In a case I posted above (Balakovo power station) - they don't have anything to be sued for.

My point is that govt control is better then no control at all.

Look, here we have a great experience of fighting govt, but only in peace-time, in emergency - it saved us from becoming extinct many times. We are a "surviving nation".

KGB, I mentioned that Armenian terror act in many previous posts, it's an exclusion that proves the rule (èñêëþ÷åíèå ïîäòâåðæäàåò ïðàâèëî, did I translate it correctly?). That explosion was reported on Pravda's front page, but there was media hype about it.

OTOH the escalator breakdown at Aviamotornaya station in Msk was reported on Voice of America and raised rumors of hundreds people killed, while there was no one dead. Same thing at Kirovskiy Zavod in Leningrad - it was closed for a couple of months in 1980 IIRC, people repeated horror stories they heard on short-wave radio.