Author Topic: Vista (Read 2321 times)

Fishu · « **Reply #60 on:** March 02, 2008, 01:18:18 AM »

I'm really starting to remember why I don't like XP's task managing. I've had to reboot computer twice because one program just doesn't get to be terminated when I tell so. One of the most common reasons that has forced me to reboot XP during the years. I haven't had to boot Vista for a single time for that cause - once I terminate a software it also does so and wipes it from the face of the memory without further thinking.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #61 on:** March 02, 2008, 07:35:36 AM »

The inconsistent behavior of the operating system from user to user is fascinating and also very telling.

Fishu, I left my Vista box on over the weekend, by accident, once. I had to physically remove the power cord from the computer when I came in on after the weekend, because it would not even allow the power button to shut it off. I had no applications running on it. It was just stting at the desktop.

Not sure what the big deal about DX10 is. The supposed performance gains it should have brought to a system got wiped by Vista's massive overhead. I am compelled not to support any game that is DX10 only as it is simple extortion. Rather than be extorted to put Vista on my box, I just do not buy the game.

Microsoft is paying some developers to do DX10 only versions of thier software. If anyone wants to support that business model, then that is certainly up to each individual. Of course, if that is the only rationalization you have for having Vista, then I understand why one would cling to it.

Back to the inconsistencies. This is very indicative of a product which was not ready for prime time. The mere fact that is acts so very different from user to user pretty much tells the sad tale.

JB88 · « **Reply #62 on:** March 02, 2008, 07:37:35 AM »

are there any other companies that are working to truly break the microsoft monopoly on operating systems?

i don't mean open source, i mean competitors.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #63 on:** March 02, 2008, 07:39:42 AM »

Theoritically, Google is. That is a couple of years away.

Gixer · « **Reply #64 on:** March 02, 2008, 07:43:01 AM »

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
DX10 is the biggest marketing hoax of the history.

What, you think they are just going to stop at DX9 and call it a day?

~~...-Gixer~~

Skuzzy · « **Reply #65 on:** March 02, 2008, 08:20:48 AM »

He is referring to the fact Microsoft made the conscious decision to not make DX10 available for XP so they could coerce gamers to purchase Vista.

At the same time to insure there would be some games only available for DX10, Microsoft paid some developers to make DX10 only versions of their game.

Then Microsoft made it all sound like it was the next coming with thier advertising and marketing blitz. Truth is, it is all a ploy to coerce people into purchasing Vista.

I'm not big on supporting those types of business practices nor the game companies that went along with it.

lazs2 · « **Reply #66 on:** March 02, 2008, 10:29:47 AM »

skuzzy.. my puter is about 4 years old but plays AH well.. when it doesn't...

I will get a new one. I fear that it will break or something soooo..

I bought a new copy of XP and keep it in the drawer.. if I have to have a puter built I will just install this XP on it. Is this a wise decision?

I think that vista may be like every microsoft one.. if it is out for a few years it will get better or they will dump it. either way.. XP works good for me. I think I will keep that system till all you smart guys get all the bugs worked out for me and tell me to go ahead and install whatever the latest vista or whatever replaces it.

What for you guys is a tiny bit frustrating is for me.. puter ending. I am not puter literate.

lazs

dmf · « **Reply #67 on:** March 02, 2008, 12:45:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
The inconsistent behavior of the operating system from user to user is fascinating and also very telling.

Fishu, I left my Vista box on over the weekend, by accident, once. I had to physically remove the power cord from the computer when I came in on after the weekend, because it would not even allow the power button to shut it off. I had no applications running on it. It was just stting at the desktop.

Not sure what the big deal about DX10 is. The supposed performance gains it should have brought to a system got wiped by Vista's massive overhead. I am compelled not to support any game that is DX10 only as it is simple extortion. Rather than be extorted to put Vista on my box, I just do not buy the game.

Microsoft is paying some developers to do DX10 only versions of thier software. If anyone wants to support that business model, then that is certainly up to each individual. Of course, if that is the only rationalization you have for having Vista, then I understand why one would cling to it.

Back to the inconsistencies. This is very indicative of a product which was not ready for prime time. The mere fact that is acts so very different from user to user pretty much tells the sad tale.

DX10 is supposed to be better than 9, so far it only works on vista so we all know what that means.

Now as for you vista box and having to pull the cord, personally I'd have bashed it to pieces and thrown it away right there on the spot. A computer that doesn't do whet you tell it to do is a dangerous computer.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #68 on:** March 02, 2008, 03:35:52 PM »

Lazs, XP Pro wil be supported until 2014. No reason not to go ahead and use it.

bj229r · « **Reply #69 on:** March 02, 2008, 03:50:26 PM »

My job takes me into 4-5 businesses per day, quite often into their I/T depts, and I have NEVER seen a computer at any of these places running Vista---only time I ever see it is a mom/pop who bought a laptop from Best Buy

moot · « **Reply #70 on:** March 02, 2008, 03:56:09 PM »

Skuzzy I've got a sort of o/t question - Would Win2000 run AH better than XP if everything else was the same?

Elfie · « **Reply #71 on:** March 02, 2008, 04:03:17 PM »

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Originally posted by dmf
If you really look deep in vista, you will find the only real difference between vista and xp is the paint job, granted there are a few little things like defender coming with vista instead of having to download it and that stupid pc windows live thing thats worthless. But every folder and program in vista is the same as xp, they're just renamed and in different places.

DRM (Digital Rights Management) is a big difference between Vista and XP, Skuzzy and others can tell you more about it, or you can do searches and see other threads on Vista where DRM and Vista are discussed.

Gixer · « **Reply #72 on:** March 02, 2008, 04:11:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Then Microsoft made it all sound like it was the next coming with thier advertising and marketing blitz. Truth is, it is all a ploy to coerce people into purchasing Vista.

I'm not big on supporting those types of business practices nor the game companies that went along with it.

Marketing ploys? That's what marketing is all about, we get douped left right and center and from far worse then Mircosoft. From razor blades to car purchases/servicing and of course everyones favourite scam insurance. So claiming the business practice high ground against Microsoft is just another band wagon. Desktop products I don't mind, their server products give me a headache which is why I took a career well away from servers network admin or engineers. E-Commerce,Security,TCP/IP,VOIP and MS Servers = alot of call outs over my weekend.

Again I know Vista isn't the greatest OS ever, but at the moment it runs everything I need better then XP did on my old single core. FSX runs without crashing for hours on end with serveral applications in the background for addons. In fact only program that did give me trouble for a couple months was AH with crashes/discos. Everyone on here said it was Vista and go to XP. I made some changes to router, ended up being a ADSL+2 setting. And only one disco since.

I use to be a typical nerd at one time when it came PC's,overlocking spending hours tweaking BIOS and the OS. Someone else made the comment about cheap hardware and how it has progressed compared to OS. Great!!! As with working in IT for last 10 years last thing I can be bothered with these days when I get home is tweaking the computer to scrape out some performance when I can just go out and buy another stick of ram for $50.

And it isn't just Microsoft when it comes to O/S, one section of our business at work is Unix running on the latest and greatest million dollar platforms. New project high profile customers were missing criticle SLA's. Spent two months tweaking code with programers from here and the US. Gained about 15% time. Slapped in some more CPU's and RAM. Gained about 40% time.

Cripes, we still have the same problem O/S versus Hardware with multi million Tandem mainframes. Anyone know how to fix memory leaks causing process abends on Tandem Comms Handlers let me know.

I built the PC I have now, purchased Vista O/S (was a first

) loaded it up and haven't made a single setting change since. Had to download some specific USB drivers for the cell phone and that's it. Only product to fail has been TrackIR but i found that a worthless POS anyway and was already sitting in a box waiting for ebay.

~~...-Gixer~~

dmf · « **Reply #73 on:** March 02, 2008, 09:21:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
DRM (Digital Rights Management) is a big difference between Vista and XP, Skuzzy and others can tell you more about it, or you can do searches and see other threads on Vista where DRM and Vista are discussed.

Oh please........vistas drm is about as defender, I know a 11 year old that can bypass it in 10 minutes.

Wolfala · « **Reply #74 on:** March 02, 2008, 11:14:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy

The number of these calls are escalating. They really do tax my time, the users patience, and there is no real need for that type of frustration to exist. This is what Vista has brought to my party. Substantially higher supports costs.

Skuzzy,

Are there any rumblings about bypassing Vista entirely and **** canning it for a different architecture? Or even if it was another build of XP - what could be improved on XP that would make your job easier that you would rather see in another OS other then Vista?

(side plug) Keep in mind, I bought a 3rd party Dell laptop with Vista, where I promptly reformatted it with a MSDN XP build. It uses less power under XP b/c the hard drive isn't running continuously for no ****ing reason, and runs cooler.