Author Topic: Flakpanzer is far to overpowered (Read 2310 times)

Urchin · « **on:** March 01, 2008, 08:24:54 AM »

I imagine this should be clear to anyone, but it probably isn't.

Any time you get a "GV Mishun!" it is 3/4 flakpansies, a couple tanks to protect the flakpansies, and a couple M3s.. that means the flakpansie is overpowered.

Granted, it isn't anywhere near as bad as it was back in AH1, when the flakpansie was the best anti-GV, anti-air, and anti-town/field GV... but the simple fact that the "anti-air" GV is present in numbers in one "mishun" that are larger than it was present in WW2 should be telling.

Perk it. Big. Or greatly reduce its efficiency against buildings. One flakpansie can roll up to a town and trash it far more quickly than a company of our tanks can, which makes for some really strange gameplay.

For instance.... why bother with the IL-2, 190F-8, or Hurricane 2D? All of them suck against flakpansies, and that is what they are going to run into 80% of the time. Instead, use a flight of level bombers and carpet suicide-bomb the GVs! Garbage in = garbage out.

justguess · « **Reply #1 on:** March 01, 2008, 08:31:34 AM »

urchin, I kill flakpanzers with a 202. urchin, why are you incessantly whining on these boards? since your return you have the aura of an old timey country song. play yourself backwards and get your stuff back please, sheesh.

Lusche · « **Reply #2 on:** March 01, 2008, 08:40:04 AM »

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Originally posted by justguess
urchin, I kill flakpanzers with a 202. urchin, why are you incessantly whining on these boards? since your return you have the aura of an old timey country song. play yourself backwards and get your stuff back please, sheesh.

But this time he has a point. One Ostwind has more firepower vs. towns than a fully loaded Lancaster: It's 1000 rounds are the equivalent to 15,600 lbs bombs.
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/guns/guns.htm
1lbs of bombs doest 1 point of damage vs buildings, 1lbs of Ostwind rounds does 11.4 points damage!

The effectivity vs planes however I do not dispute at all. And even if the damage vs buildings would be toned down (which I would appreciate), you still would see a awful lot of them - because it's necessary. Tanks are dead meat on the table for planes in this game, unless heavily escorted by flak vehicles.

But I see no need to give it a perk value of any kind. Absolutely not.

justguess · « **Reply #3 on:** March 01, 2008, 08:46:38 AM »

take up a 202 and see how many you can kill just for fun. I know you don't get points for it but the remarks from the afflicted on twohunnert are ample reward for your effort, very gratifying and sure to leave a smile upon your face.

Lusche · « **Reply #4 on:** March 01, 2008, 08:48:27 AM »

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Originally posted by justguess
take up a 202 and see how many you can kill just for fun. I know you don't get points for it but the remarks from the afflicted on twohunnert are ample reward for your effort, very gratifying and sure to leave a smile upon your face.

Like I said.. Nothing wrong in this game with Ostwind vs planes

I almost never drop bombs on them. Way more fun to gun them down

JagdTankker · « **Reply #5 on:** March 01, 2008, 09:16:27 AM »

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Originally posted by justguess
play yourself backwards and get your stuff back please, sheesh.

Seriously, LTARMac prolly typed that to make himself feel better for you downing his lancstukas.

Xasthur · « **Reply #6 on:** March 01, 2008, 09:18:19 AM »

Turreting a flak panzer is not difficult, you need to make your attack from a steep angle and that's it.

Make your attacks quick and difficult to target and you won't have a problem.

moot · « **Reply #7 on:** March 01, 2008, 09:32:40 AM »

Urchin the Il2 23mm reach far and hit hard.. Great guns vs. the ostie. With the 40mm's you "just" need to come fast/off angle till their convergence distance, where you take one shot that (if it lands on target) will kill the turret everytime, and sometimes kill the pilot.

What I think is a real PITA with osties is the instant repair with supplies. You can do things just right, pop their turret, and get shot on your way out a second later.

waystin2 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 01, 2008, 09:46:27 AM »

Hello Urchin,

As a regular Ostie driver (259 kills this tour) I will tell you that I have been turretted and/or destroyed by just about every plane in the inventory. No plane sucks if it is used correctly or in concert with another pilot attacking at the same time. If you attack an Ostie by yourself from a head on aspect, you are gonna get some holes in your plane if the driver knows what he is doing. The guys that consistently nail me are usually working in teams (unique concept). One makes a pass to draw fire, the other comes in for the kill. As far as overpowered, no. I believe that it is correctly modeled by HTC. There are several great options for dealing with hordes of GV's: pork their supplies/troops, drop their VH's, multiple JABO's working together, and the Osties worse nightmare-tanks. Adjust your tactics and you will begin adding alot of Osties to your kill list.

BaDkaRmA158Th · « **Reply #9 on:** March 01, 2008, 09:52:04 AM »

Yup, two works better.

What i do is fire away from the plane i suspect will straff me next, when he is 2.0-1.5k out, i turn my turret to him and open fire.

often times they think they have a clear shot, untill x4 .50's bark fire upto them.

Urchin · « **Reply #10 on:** March 01, 2008, 10:00:55 AM »

No.. justguess is storch, here polluting the boards with his narcissitic nonsense ... again.

"Urchin, I fought off 17 dweebfires and 19 'woobiecanes' (what kind of retard pet name is that anyway, storch>) AND found the time to strafe 47 Ostwinds, all in my Val!"

Get back on your meds, Storch.

smokey23 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 01, 2008, 10:13:22 AM »

Never perk a flak its way to easy to kill, I was defending a base last night me and a squad member were 800yds from each other an F6F i wont say who it was, drops 1 - 1000lb bomb and kills us both Im sorry a bomb that size doesnt have the blast radius to kill 2 armored vehicles with that much space between us. Just wouldnt happen. I know it would more than likely kill 1 of us but 2 NO WAY.

moot · « **Reply #12 on:** March 01, 2008, 10:22:36 AM »

Do you have film of it Smokey? 800 yards would mean 400 yards or less, to the bomb.

smokey23 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 01, 2008, 10:26:28 AM »

NO i dont but my squaddie might i'll get him to post it if he does.It was my fault i usually record every sortie but got lazy last night. had a 3rd squaddie in the tower watchin it all we could say after we both died was "wtf" but wont stop me from usein my osti and am anxious to get my paws on that werbelwind:aok

JScore · « **Reply #14 on:** March 01, 2008, 11:23:59 AM »

The judges award one point to Urchin.