The NEW F4u!

[Adonai]

Originally posted by Blooz
If you get a hog with flaps out, floating around at minimal speed and can't kill it in the three minutes it takes for it to gain it's energy back the problem isn't the flight model.

It's you.

One way to kill a hog is get him to slow down to that minimal speed then use your acceleration and climb rate to zoom away and come back on a Hog with no speed to defend itself.

Unfortunally only people I've faced either try out turning the Hog or BnZ

[Whisky58]

Originally posted by Adonai
Easier said then done, any smart Hog pilot wont be doing 180mph but more likely 400+ so those going vert get a huge suprise since we can out-reverse any plane in the game. Believe me had many spit16's and La's try to out vert me, and lost.

I agree entirely, but the thrust of these posts seems to be "how great the Hog is at out-turning Spits, Niks, La7s etc with flaps out".  It handles well at speed, good roll, good dive & loads of momentum out of a dive. I can't believe any WW2 Corsair pilot would've relinquished those advantages & deliberately got into a flaps down turning fight with Zeros & Niks as an offensive manouevre. It's a last chance, desperate, defensive exercise. Flaps are for landing.
There's a lot of not so smart Hog pilots around.

[Gixer]

Originally posted by Blooz
If you get a hog with flaps out, floating around at minimal speed and can't kill it in the three minutes it takes for it to gain it's energy back the problem isn't the flight model.

It's you.

Thanks for the ACM advice Ace. But that does nothing to answer the question regarding flaps and low speed modeling.


...-Gixer

[SD67]

I think the Hog's model has issues. It's stall is nothing like how it has been documented. IMO it's been "dumbed down" to cater for newer inexperienced players.

[Gixer]

Originally posted by Adonai
So you actually Flew a hog and know this for fact? Perhaps sending your information to HTC with proof would further help them fix it. Otherwise I believe they taken the information from more knowledgeable source.

And have you actually flown a Hog to know this not to be a fact?? No I didn't think so. So keep the wise comments to yourself.

And I doubt very much that Hog pilots in real life dumped out flaps to out roll,turn a zeke at the very low speeds possible in AH. Dropping landing gear as well??

All I stated was that the low speed flaps maneuverability seems over modeled given the aircrafts known weight/size. Wasn't looking to get into any petty argument about plane modeling.


...-Gixer

[Squire]

With "Enable Stall Limiter" in flight options, there is no reason to have any of the a/c FMs dumbed down. Not to mention auto takeoffs. How much easier does the game need to be for n00bs?

Just saying, I have no idea if the F4U-1 needs looking at or not.

Generally, I hear a lot of conspiracy theories about plane X, Y, Z, and I dont think HTC deliberately f**ks them up for "gamey" reasons.

[Adonai]

Originally posted by Gixer
And have you actually flown a Hog to know this not to be a fact?? No I didn't think so. So keep the wise comments to yourself.

And I doubt very much that Hog pilots in real life dumped out flaps to out roll,turn a zeke at the very low speeds possible in AH. Dropping landing gear as well??

All I stated was that the low speed flaps maneuverability seems over modeled given the aircrafts known weight/size. Wasn't looking to get into any petty argument about plane modeling.


...-Gixer

You Did say And YOU quoted "It's the Hog's ability to endlessly float around the sky with flaps out at minimal speed seems overly modeled imho considering the aircrafts size and weight."

So its not a Wise comment, just asking if you dont have evidence or Historical proof this wasn't accurate, don't make false pretext. If you do however, please contact HTC with your information sure they'd love to fix the issue.

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And I doubt very much that Hog pilots in real life dumped out flaps to out roll,turn a zeke at the very low speeds possible in AH."

Course they didn't, well documented they used Boom and Zoom tactics stated by Ira Kepford of VF-17. However Using Gears was a factor in dive bombing for Hogs, instead of adding dive flaps, they simply strengthened the gears so a hog could dive to 350mph with gears down to slow down.

Of course I see your point in saying "well cartoon hog dropped his gears and dove on me, then turn fighting" yes, this is a video game sir, people do weird stuff.

[Adonai]

Originally posted by Squire
With "Enable Stall Limiter" in flight options, there is no reason to have any of the a/c FMs dumbed down. Not to mention auto takeoffs. How much easier does the game need to be for n00bs?

Just saying, I have no idea if the F4U-1 needs looking at or not.

Generally, I hear a lot of conspiracy theories about plane X, Y, Z, and I dont think HTC deliberately f**ks them up for "gamey" reasons.

I highly doubt the Model was dumbed down, hence trying to land a hog has the real life issue of bouncing on landing and when stalling rolling a hard left. (Hense the Hogs nickname ensign eliminator)

Any chance Skuzzy could drop some information on whether hog is accurate to date and if so, when's last time the model has been worked on?

I do remember the F4u-1a being last hog introduced to aces high, not sure if the other hogs have been worked on or not.

[dedalos]

You would think that the guys that have been here for a while would know better.  I don't remember the date but some time ago there were some changes made.  F4Us, 109s, and Spits became very close.  In the early days of AHII if I saw an F4U all I thought was "ahhh, here is an easy kill".  Same with 109s.  That is not the case anymore.  Not saying anything about right or wrong.  Just that they were changed.

You can actually pin point the time of the change by figuring out when some of the vets started flying F4Us.

Oh, the ability of the F4U to bring its nose up with full flaps and gear down does seem kind of strange

[Adonai]

Oh, the ability of the F4U to bring its nose up with full flaps and gear down does seem kind of strange

Never seen people do this then again, people do really WEIRD stuff, for one, dropping gears to dive bomb is historically what F4u pilots did, I rather dive in at 550 then come in nice and slow for ack to murder me.

[mtnman]

Sorry- disregard this, I meant to post it elsewhere...

MtnMan

[SD67]

Duly disregarded...