Obama's Pastor "disappeared" from website.

[Gunthr]

Obama's church is not an appropriate place for children, yet his kids grew up in it. 

The church magazine "Trumpet", staffed with church members, just last year, gave the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award to a man it said "truly epitomized greatness." That man is Louis Farrakhan.

Rev. Wright preaches botulism of the mind, yet he is a "mentor" and close friend of Obama, and we are supposed to believe that Obama didn't know about this??? I wonder if Obama has denounced Farrakan?  I never heard him do it.

Remember, this man could be the next president of the United States.  I would withhold my vote from Obama just to keep him from entertaining people like Rev. Wright and Louis Farrakan in MY Whitehouse.

These issues are not trivial.  I'm not trying to convince or pursuade anyone, particularly those with their heads in the sand, but the fact is, Obama shot himself in the foot.

[Toad]

Basically, all these facts about Obama...yes, facts... lead to one inescapable conclusion.

Despite all the hype for hope and change, you are meeting the new boss, same as the old boss.

He is the typical if not quintessential lying politician, with all the necessary baggage to provide irrefutable proof that he's more of the same-old, same-old.

Which is OK; we get the government we deserve from both parties. It's just that it's silly to pretend he's really something different.

Oh, and before you all start on my unreconstructed Republicanism, McCain falls into the same category in my opinion.

I'm still writing in Paul; he's got his baggage too. Just less of it than the rest.

[lazs2]

I don't know how anyone can find anything "new" about the half negro guy... any political belief that is not exactly the same as the 80 year old teddy kennedy has been trying to foist off on us for 50 years.

the only thing "new" about him is that he may be the first person to run for pres who distrusts the white race and America in general.

lazs

[Shuckins]

I've visited the church web-site.  Obama's church is an Afrocentric denomination, which can mean many things.

Early Afrocentrism developed as a reaction to Eurocentrism, and had as its founders such intellectual giants as W.E.B. DuBois.  It was an attempt to gather and organize the histories and achievements of the many African cultural groups and nations, which Eurocentrists had largely ignored or downplayed.

At its best, it is a multicultural movement, and has made a positive contribution to the understanding of the history of the African continent and its contributions to the development of civilization.  At its worst, it has developed radical, feather-headed black-supremacist splinter groups and revisionist historical notions that take credit for almost all artistic, social, and political achievements in Africa and the western world;  in effect, these are racist organizations.  Some of their pseudo-historical claims about blacks dominating the culture of ancient Egypt are patently ridiculous and have been rejected by all true historians.  Radical Afrocentrists claim that Socrates, Cleopatra, and Jesus were all black, and that the ancient Orthodox Jews were responsible for starting the slave-trade.

That last "fact" has been embraced by Lous Farrakhan and sheds light on some of the statements by Rev. Wright that were made in the televised sermon that has recently been shown, and reshown, on national television.  There is no way, in my opinion, that the "Rev." Wright has kept his beliefs largely hidden from his congregation for twenty year;  or that Obama, being a member of his congregation and a close friend, did NOT know about them.  The "Rev.'s" views on politics and race only became an issue when Obama became a major political candidate for the presidency.  Only now, when those views have become "inconvenient," has Obama repudiated them.

Say what you like, no thinking, intelligent, and fair-minded Christian would remain a member of a church for two decades where the pastor preaches such a vile, hate-filled, moronic gospel.....

[Eagler]

the crazy preacher means nothing .. he and his insane comments will be forgotten way before the convention.

the half black man has the nom in the bag.
if the "supers" give it to the ho, the bros will burn down their neighborhoods and the dumbacrats know it will destroy their party ...

I just hope this country has enough common sense left to vote McCain in over bro dumbo ... but I am not convinced we do.

[john9001]

in a radio interview obama called his white grandmother a "typical white person", if a white politician called a black a "typical black person" they would be called a racist and be forced to resign.

obama should do the "right " thing, drop out of the race and resign from the senate.

[lazs2]

what this means in practical terms is...

It will give an excuse to the white voters who are voting on the "white guilt" ticket to use reason instead of being bullied and guilted into voting for the half negro guy just so they won't be fitted for a racist jacket..

they can now get all PC and put the jacket where it belongs.. on the osamabama socialist.

lazs

[JBA]

in a radio interview obama called his white grandmother a "typical white person", if a white politician called a black a "typical black person" they would be called a racist and be forced to resign.

obama should do the "right " thing, drop out of the race and resign from the senate.

Found the qoute.
“The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know there's a reaction in her that doesn't go away and it comes out in the wrong way.” -- Sen. Barack Obama, making the racial stereotype that all white people are guilty of racial stereotyping.

[Mr No Name]

Osamabama cant distance himself from this - he sat in front of this guy for 20+ YEARS and never saw a problem...  Wright -Obama - Sharpton - Calypso Louie Farrakhan --- collectively, the Klan with a tan.

[Eagler]

Osamabama cant distance himself from this - he sat in front of this guy for 20+ YEARS and never saw a problem...  Wright -Obama - Sharpton - Calypso Louie Farrakhan --- collectively, the Klan with a tan.

no silly, only whites are racists, everyone else has a viable reason to hate the other colors...

[Arlo]

Basically, all these facts about Obama...yes, facts... lead to one inescapable conclusion.

And that appears to be that you presume your opinions and viewpoints (or perhaps the opinions and viewpoints of the authors of this mudfest) are accurately portrayed facts to begin with then go from there. I'm seein' a lot of that here. Mixed with fear and anger (closely related and often bred one from the other). And no, I don't think my public disagreement or critisim of your opinion or the way you present it (anyone here who seems to have personal issues with Sen. Obama based on this particular smear camp they find tasty) isn't gonna affect your head of steam one bit. No, I don't find what's been offered here all that damning and really it comes off as more revealing of shameful traits within the screaming finger-pointers than the other way to me. But then, I'm at least trying to keep an open mind to assess and reassess. When something more concrete than editorials, spun and respun like a tops to rationalize the phobia mindsets that inspired them to begin with, materializes here (and I haven't got a problem calling that my opinion), I may even be swayed. A daunting challenge. One so worth attacking. Ready when you are (either way).

[AKIron]

Found the qoute.
“The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know there's a reaction in her that doesn't go away and it comes out in the wrong way.” -- Sen. Barack Obama, making the racial stereotype that all white people are guilty of racial stereotyping.

Heard someone say that even Jesse Jackson admitted to when alone on the street at night and hears footsteps feels relief to see it is a white person. Don't know if it's true he said that but if it is it's a lot more honest than anything Obama has probably said in his entire life.

[Arlo]

Heard someone say that even Jesse Jackson admitted to when alone on the street at night and hears footsteps feels relief to see it is a white person. Don't know if it's true he said that but if it is it's a lot more honest than anything Obama has probably said in his entire life.

Case in point: AKIron once heard something from someone about Reverend Jackson that he isn't sure is true but if it is he knows, for certain, that Senator Obama has probably been dishonest his entire life.

This is not even remotely approaching a sensible argument. Sorry.

Carry on. 

[Toad]

Arlo, you dispute these widely published, sometimes by Obama himself, facts?

Close friend of Wright for 20 years; Wright as racist as Farrakhan, Obama endorsed by Farrakhan.

Named most liberal Senator by National Journal in 2007 (How they figured the rating: http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/methodology.htm)

Close associate of Tony Resko, shady real estate deal, lied about Resko contributions to campaign.

Product of the Chicago Democratic machine

Lack of any real platform other than "change we can believe in"

Missed 208 of 1171 votes (18%) since Jan 6, 2005

Past cocaine user (admitted in his book)


What part of that sounds like anything other than the normal lying politician?

What have you seen that makes him seem like anything other than a normal lying politician?

[Toad]

Case in point: AKIron once heard something from someone about Reverend Jackson

Case in point, the quote is in US News and World Report, 3/10/96

Even Jesse Jackson said a few years ago, "There is nothing more painful to me ... than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery, then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved."

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/opinion/articles/960318/archive_010008.htm

Although I'm sure you'll dismiss it as an unreliable source.

Now, this part is inconvenient for you but all AKIron said was

it's a lot more honest than anything Obama has probably said in his entire life

He offered an opinion.

He certainly did NOT say

Senator Obama has probably been dishonest his entire life.

That would be you, putting words into his mouth, creating a strawman argument.