Obama's Pastor "disappeared" from website.

[lazs2]

mt.. I'm thinking that if I had such a grasp of race relations as you claim the half negro guy has.. and was,  as you and maybe he, claim..  above it.

Why then would I go to a racist church?  Why would I go to a church that blamed negros for every problem we had and said that America was damned?  Why would I marry a woman who hated all these years?  or at the least.. felt there was no hope?

Why would I surround myself.. no.. make the most important people in my life these people?

Flowery speech but even the liberals are saying he was tap dancing around the real issues.   We don't need him to explain race in America...

more than him.. we all live it every day.  We all know what race relations are in this country.

Billary got him good this time.  I told ya she would.

lazs

[Tumor]

 

........suckers.

[Silat]

Not quite the nutjobs the Reps court and let control the party. Why are you giving McLobby a pass?
Hagee
Roberts
Falwell (deceased)
Etc......
Some notable quotes from a Christian thug. Jerry Falwell a man revered by the rep party and courted by is candidates. A man who spoke softly of hate. LOL
      “I had a student ask me, "Could the savior you believe in save Osama bin Laden?" Of course, we know the blood of Jesus Christ can save him, and then he must be executed”
      “Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions”
      “AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals”
      “Billy Graham is the chief servant of Satan in America”
      “The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country”
      “If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being”
      “Textbooks are Soviet propaganda”
      “The ACLU is to Christians what the American Nazi party is to Jews”
 
      “It appears that America's anti-Biblical feminist movement is at last dying, thank God, and is possibly being replaced by a Christ-centered men's movement which may become the foundation for a desperately needed national spiritual awakening”


 

Homosexuality is Satan's diabolical attack upon the family that will not only have a corrupting influence upon our next generation, but it will also bring down the wrath of God upon America.”
“God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve”
“(re: 9/11 attacks) "...throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools, the abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked and when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad...I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who try to secularize America...I point the thing in their face and say you helped this happen."
“[homosexuals are] brute beasts...part of a vile and satanic system [that] will be utterly annihilated, and there will be a celebration in heaven.”

                   

[john9001]

silat, does your post mean obama is not a racist or that it doesnt matter if he is a racist?

or is obama a typical black person?

[AKIron]

Silat, did McCain got to Falwell's church for 20 years? Or even once?

[BTW]

Swift boating at its best, or worst.

Explain to be what swift boating is and how its dishonest. I don't know that swift boating is dishonest, but I get that implication. How is swift boating wrong? See, I felt it unusual that Sen Kerry had all this film of himself being a hero. Most people who do heroic things don't have a camera handy. If swift boating isn't just a buzz phrase, explain to me exactly how people who served with Kerry giving their side of events,is devious. You didn't find it weird he had a camera rolling when he supposedly risking his life? I'd have been thinking about staying alive - not camera angles.

[BTW]

No one in the media ever justified Jerry Falwell. They ARE justifying Wright. You see a contradiction here, Silat? I really doubt you do.

[Arlo]

Explain to be what swift boating is and how its dishonest. I don't know that swift boating is dishonest, but I get that implication. How is swift boating wrong? See, I felt it unusual that Sen Kerry had all this film of himself being a hero. Most people who do heroic things don't have a camera handy. 

Well now, wasn't it all about proving he was less of a hero than George or that George was more of one? Don't you think George woulda taken quite a few pics if he'd gone to `Nam instead of serving in the TANG (kinda)? He still had a pic or two but not that many. And he sure didn't miss out on a photo op in a flightsuit or field jacket his first term in office. Mission accomplished. He wasn't there all that much in `Nam though (or really there serving with the TANG that much - missed out on some more photo ops there). But the "swiftboating campaign" sure went after Kerry's actual combat service in `Nam. And yaknow, I served with more than one fellow vet that spent time there and they sure seemed to have lots of pics. You'd have thunk they thought everyday they made it to there was pretty special. 

[Toad]

Maybe someone can explain how publishing Obama's actual quotes is "swiftboating"?

“The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation,” –Barack H. Obama, March 14, 2008

“Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.”
Barack H. Obama, March 18, 2007

Is calling a liar a liar swiftboating? Oh... wait... I know! Calling a liar a liar is racist if the liar happens to be black! I understand now!

Bottom line is what I've said on this BBS: he's a typical lying politician. That's no change and you can believe in it.

[lazs2]

How could he not know how his wife feels about America?  Is now gonna give a speech on how this is the first he knew of her disgust with America?

lazs

[midnight Target]

He didn't hear the sermons posted on You-Tube, but he did hear him (Wright) make controversial statements. Swiftboating is the act of spinning something into something else. Like taking a factual statement and spinning into "liar".

[Arlo]

Maybe someone can explain how publishing Obama's actual quotes is "swiftboating"?


I understand now!

No you don't and apparently you never have ... or will.

Because, contrary to you fierce belief otherwise, those two statements aren't contrary. Your desire, alone, doesn't add or detract enough from Senator Obama's quoted statements to make your perception unclouded by your bias. You "facts" leave much to be desired.

Anyway .... you're on a full-bore blind-drive on this. Any response short of cheering your beserker rage on is gonna just either hurt your feelings or infurate you. And I know I don't want you condemning me for having less positive influence on the AH bulletin board community than you're presently having, regarding this topic.

Carry on and good luck with winning by any means necessary. 

[Toad]

Another red herring?

First he says he wasn't in church when these things were said and then he says he was in church when these things were said.

That's a lie, mate. No spin, simple fact.


From ABC:

An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright's sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans.

An interesting sidenote is that ABC and Fox both bought their tapes from the website of Trinity Church. It was a best of  Pastor Wright collection. So all these comments about whitey and America are considered the best of his work by Wright and the church. Now that's "swiftboating"? Show clips from Wright's own "best of the Rev" series is some how deceitful?

Why do people stay in churches for 20 years? Because they think the pastor is a nutjob? Nope, it's because they agree with the pastor's philosophy. If they think the pastor is off the deep end, they leave. Happens every Sunday all across America. Not only did Obama stay at Wright's church, he made it his number one charity, giving over $20,000 when he was financially able. To pretend he did not support Wright is ludicrous.

Obama has said Wright isn't/wasn't an advisor to his campaign. Presumably he means this Presidential campaign because when he won his Senate seat in 2004.

Thank you, Illinois. Let me begin by thanking all of the people who have been involved in this effort. From downstate to upstate, city, suburb, from every community throughout the state. Let me say how grateful I am to all of you for the extraordinary privilege of standing here this evening. Let me thank, because I will forget later on, it is a thankless task, let me thank the best political staff that there has been put together in this state. They are wonderful. You know who you are. You guys have been outstanding. I appreciate all of you. Let me thank my pastor Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. of Trinity United church of Christ.

Wright comes pretty early in the thanking for a guy that isn't an advisor but it's possible he wasn't. To pretend that Obama didn't realize what venom, hate and racism Wright was spewing for 20 years is simply beyond credibility however.

Quick, somebody whip out the racist card and slap it on me.

As I also said in the other thread, black, green, yellow, white, red, pink or purple, he's just another lying politician that is way too liberal on too many important issued to garner any consideration at all from me.


 

[Toad]

Because, contrary to you fierce belief otherwise, those two statements aren't contrary.

Well, old blue, tree that coon.

Educate me. Show me how those statements aren't contrary without sounding like a lieing lawyer yourself.

Oh, wait... you only offer challenges. You don't accept them. 

[Arlo]

Well, old blue, tree that coon.

Educate me. Show me how those statements aren't contrary without sounding like a lieing lawyer yourself.

Oh, wait... you only offer challenges. You don't accept them. 

I think you were too busy shaking at the keyboard and foaming at the mouth to see it in MT's reponse:

"He didn't hear the sermons posted on You-Tube, but he did hear him (Wright) make controversial statements. Swiftboating is the act of spinning something into something else. Like taking a factual statement and spinning into 'liar'."

It's pretty adequate. So I'll use it. Besides, I think you also missed the "subtle" hint I left you that I'm gonna let you spin til you eventually wind down on your own now. If that's possible. It just doesn't serve a purpose to test any other theory.

Again, have fun stormin' the castle.