Top 10 pilots news

[Sturm]

Deja that makes more sense, and that I can understand, for if you don't fly other A/C the categories suffer.  What gets me is the ones that brag about it to the extent of wondering how old they actually are.  If you can be the top killer in the 205 you should be recognized or the 202.  Might be you should redo it to who is the best in the worst planes     Just hope you see where I am coming from, bragging about kills in the perk planes well do we really care, no names mentioned on this one.  And yes that was a run on sentence.  I failed to get a kill in I think 4 planes last tour the LA-5 Spit V 202 and Tempest.  Granted I had kills but got the old assist message even though I dumped a ton of rounds into them.  Oh well makes for a challenge IMO.        

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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron

[AKDejaVu]

I've seen very few pilots outright brag about how good they are.  Citabria is one of the few that does.  What pisses most people off is that he backs it up (well.. USED to back it up  ).

Most of the people that I see who think they are hot stuff, don't show up on any of the HTC rankings or the top 10 lists.  I guess that grates on them after a while and suddenly those that do show on the lists are targetted.  I've been told it is not because of jealousy... I don't believe it.  The same goes for those that do show on the lists, but still feel the need to "discredit" others that made it.

Its strange that debates over who is or is not hot stuff usually start out with "he's not so good" as opposed to "I'm so good".

I don't think I'm that good of a pilot.  I do OK in 1:1 engagements, but I'm no ACM stud.  I do think that doing outsanding in a particular aircraft merits recognition on its own.  That's my personal belief and that's why I generate the top 10 lists.  That's also why I focus on flying a particular type of aircraft.

If your beliefs vary from mine, I highly suggest avoiding any thread with "Top 10" in the subject.  As a rule, those that don't like the list usually just show up to start insulting people... and that's worse than any list simply generated by numbers can ever do.

AKDejaVu

[This message has been edited by AKDejaVu (edited 04-03-2001).]

[Westy]

  Can't recall calling you or the 13TAS names FScott.   I must have hit a nerve though huh?  By saying I don't respect  or admire those who prefer the sucker punch? I fail to see how can anyone brag about their prowess or "skill" when the method they prefer is to pop someone when that someone is totally involved and ditracted.  Imagine if you would a boxing match in progress between Muhammed Ali and Joe Lewis. All of a sudden here comes Mike Tyson who cold  noodles Lewis' taking him out of the fight. Kind of ludicrous IMO to praise Tyson for any prowess and skill when what he did takes niether.

As for the 13TAS? They use group tactics. And they do it well.  They come at you no matter how many you are, with alt, coalt and lower and they do mix it up. Most even holler out "SHOWTIME" before the drop in.  I have had a few whom I chased on on one and they would not slow down and turn fight thier 51 with my Yak. That's something altogether different and is not even in this discussion. What the 13TAs isn't what I call it "sucker punching" because you'd have to be blind to miss four to eight 51's coming at you.

    -Westy

[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Westy.. who is "most of the people you see"?  The stats are not thrown at you, you have to be looking for them.  I've seen very few people actually bring them up in this forum (personal stats) because people often respond exactly as you have.

hehe that is just a TAD ironic coming from you Deja  

confirmation bias?

[Sturm]

I am UBER!!  I am now 1-0 in the 51D and 15-4 in the Chog this tour, does this count?  J/K anyway do a top 10 of the worst planes, I think garners more respect then saying who the best pilot is in the best plane.  And the N1k seems to be my favorite kill so far this tour.

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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron

[Kirin]

Westy, are you just jelous (err, spelling?)...??!?  

I take my Ta152 in almost any fight - but I also know when it's time to bug (well, most of the times...). First I flew it at 30k - looking for some easy prey but since I hardly met anyone up there - and a Spit (maybe a XIV?) kept climbing with me from 10k to 40k - and I became a bit more comfortable with the flight charactistics (lost 3 152s due overstress) - you'll find me in a any fight where I have a chance to survive. Ask Koba - we (he in La7) took a fight 2 vs 5 and prevailed. (padding mode off   )

Although I am not patient enough to fly it the safe way I hold much respect for pilots who fly to live. Towd, that's the realistic way to fly. In RL you only had 1 life you just wouldn't risk it for some stupid kill.

I have still enough perkies to afford some extra Ta152s. So expect me to dance with it at treetop level.

[Toad]

 

Originally posted by Sturm:

From my experience those that love to brag are the ones that really have nothing to show "in the real world" as far as accomplishments.

Look at my stats last tour and you will see how many planes I had kills in, far more then the average pilot here, and I will continue to do so...

Let me fly a Dora this tour, or a 51 or a N1k, the numbers would probably be astonishing....  

Talk to me in a month or two at most, take me into a 1-1 and hand me my bellybutton now which is fine.  take me in there in 2 months and see what happens...

Yeah, I think I agree with ya about braggers.  

[AKSeaWulfe]

My joystick is bigger than your joystick.  
-SW

[Kats]

I just want to comment on the "sucker punch" style you guys are mentioning.

I don't think it's an easy style at all. Your fighting different demons - patience and discipline.  

I personally think that flying "balls to the wall" not caring whether you get killed or not is the real copp out. I admire those who fly as if they only had one life and the stat that impresses me the most is the  high streak.  

I believe air combat to be a thinking sport. Knowledge of fancy manouvering etc is for when you have made a mistake and have got yourself in trouble. The real challenge is not making those mistakes.

But to each his own.

[Westy]

 Kirin that's my style. I look to mix it up regardless of the numbers, alt or if I have the advantage. IF I live, it's all that much better. If I don't I won't lose any sleep.

Westy, are you just jelous (err, spelling?)...??!?  

 Nope. Just being argumentative and trying to debunk what I consider a bogus myth. That those who have such lopsided K/D must be fantastically good.

 Course I sound just a bit illiterate due to my rapid two finger typing that always finishes with a quick jab on [submit reply]. I should proof read more. My apologies.

  - Westy  



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[LePaul]

Know what?

My stats suck.  The only thing I'm proud of is that I went from no where on the bomber rantings to somewhere in the Top 100.  To me, that means I'm improving and only on paper  

I could care less about the K/D ratios.  I'm the dweeb that hauls the goon or lancaster into the hot zones, and more often than not, I wind up as fodder to a enemy fighter.  It happens.

So, yer precious little stats wont reflect who that moron is that braves it all to bomb a base alone, or sneak a goon in under the fighters to capture the base.  Come to think of it, some of the people I enjoy flying with most aren't on that little stat sheet.  Good, keeps em from having a swollen head  

Dats my 2 cents....I shaddup now.



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Aces High Arena handle:  BD5Pilot
 http://bd5.checksix.net
BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)

[AKDejaVu]

 

Just being argumentative and trying to debunk what I consider a bogus myth.

Ah.. the classic argument.  Some believe the same as you, while others believe that the myth is the feeling that BnZ takes no skill.

Both sides of the argument have merrit, but I've seldomely seen someone use another person's actions in their entirety as an example... but rather pick and chose specific situations that best define their argument.

BTW, The top 10 lists will be in two parts, total kills and k/d... with an addition "kills of" section to be added if everything goes fine today in regards to the bot.

I don't think that either outweighs the other, but I do think that both are accomplishments.  I also believe that being ranked in the top 100 in each category in AH is also an accomplishment.  Does it mean anything?... it doesn't really have to.  Afterall, nothing is being awarded as a result.

 

Course I sound just a bit illiterate due to my rapid two finger typing that always finishes with a quick jab on [submit reply]

Being the user of perfect grammer and having never mispelled a word before in my lif, I must condemn your blatant disregard for proper error free conveyance of ideas.  

The truth is, I have to evaluate whether the mispelling/gramar error is more embarrasing than adding another "This post has been edited by" message to the bottom

AKDejaVu

[Soda]

Kats,
  How is it more of a Copp-out than running away from a fight where the enemy might continue on and kill your friends/family?  If you want realistic then that is the decision you would have to face for turning and running.  That and your buddies filling your running hide full of lead on the return-to-base.

I'm not slagging the Fight-To-Live people, just pointing out that it isn't really all that realistic either unless you consider yourself a US pilot at the end of the war over a totally dominated LW.  Fighting the desperate battle can actually be more fun, and more of a challenge, but doesn't tend to lead to higher scores... if score is important.

The best fights are the ones you win when you are at a disadvantage and still get the kill.

-Soda

[gatt]

 

Originally posted by Soda:
Kats, the best fights are the ones you win when you are at a disadvantage and still get the kill

Not if you enjoy flying like they did in the Real Thing. Yes, yes this is only a game but someone likes to spend their bucks trying historical tactics. Boring? Who knows. I for one dont like furballers, stick stirrers, endless loopers and crazy scissorers. You can do all these crazy maneuvers only thanks to our E-saver flight model. Try these thing in a real a/c, not a Pitt Special, or a Sukoi prepared for the Breitling Cup.

Many people use Main arena just to train themselves for Historical Scenarios. Others wait at low alt just to demoinstrate how good they are at flip-flop turns, endless Niki loopings, hanging on their props, low lat head on and so on ....

To each his own ...



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4° Stormo Caccia - Knight Axis Gruppe
"The Eyeties are comparatively easy to shoot down. Oh, they're brave enough. In fact, I think the Eyeties have more courage than the Germans, but their tactics aren't so good. They are very good gliders, but they try to do clever acrobatics and looping. But they will stick it even if things are going against them, whereas the Jerries will run." (G.Beurling)

[wolf37]

 

Originally posted by Citabria:
I've done 60-0 in a p-38L  

Yes Citabrai, you still hold the record for the most consecitive kills, and I do beleive it is 79-0 in your P38L.

As for AKDejaVu, untill you can beat the record, dont tell someone esle to quit living in the past. Citabrai should be bringing it up each and every new tour and flaunting it. he earned that right to do so.

wolf37