What's with........

[2bighorn]

Lets get something straight right now! First of all the trainers in the TA don't train. Sure they can tell me what key to hit for range or squad channel, what planes are the fastest or best turners..etc. But ask them about some advanced fighter tactics with a 38 or something along those lines and all I get is.....ah...well... you need to talk to so in so about that.
I've been in this game for 3 years I guess, and everything I know, I've had to pretty much teach myself. And all in all I hold my own pretty good most of the time. I don't fly with a wingman, and I don't fly around in a spit hangin' with the horde. So with that being said, I've adjusted my tactics to depend on me and only me! I've got on the 6 of several sticks I'd consider more talented than myself, only to be picked by their squadie diving in from 15k. Sure I could fly in a pack like you do, but that ain't my style.
If you're so good and "own" everybody, put your money where your mouth is , and you go to the TA and start training us "noobs"!
You uber boys get on this BBS and run your mouths how the game sucks now and everyone hos and runs. But I have yet to see ANY of you in the TA teaching guys anything! For 3 years I've watched you,lazer,bipolar,shawk,adonai,vanscrew..etc.. run your mouths about how you're all gods gift to aceshigh, but not once have i seen ANY of you in the TA!

BS. If you want some benefit from TA/DA sessions, you've got to spend some time there. It isn't enough to show yourself and expect 20 odd guys suddenly working with you and make an ace out of you in half an hour.

[Rolex]

Lets get something straight right now! First of all the trainers in the TA don't train. Sure they can tell me what key to hit for range or squad channel, what planes are the fastest or best turners..etc. But ask them about some advanced fighter tactics with a 38 or something along those lines and all I get is.....ah...well... you need to talk to so in so about that...

Sigh.

The principles of ACM are the same for all planes. If you're looking for some magic trick in plane A, you won't find it. Understanding the strengths and limits of a plane, and flying it to its limit smoothly, correctly anticipating where you need to fly toward, is not something everyone is able to do at the same level.

Some people are simply smoother, anticipate better or are quicker than others. Some people are more disciplined about practicing the things they are not good at, instead of practicing the things they are good at. What I mean is that in golf, some people will hit 7 irons at the practice range because it's their favorite club. They watch the trajectory and get lulled into thinking that they are "good" because they can hit one club well from a perfect lie, but don't understand why they can't break 90 on the course.

They should be practicing the clubs, lies and shots they are not good at.

Understanding energy and angles comes from reading and comprehending the principles, then applying them. I can tell you over and over to put your lift vector toward the bandit, but if you can't figure out the hand-eye coordination to make that happen, what can I do? Just like the golf analogy, I can give you tips and lesson after lesson, but that doesn't mean you will ever be able to break par in your life. Not everyone is same. If they were, everyone would be under par, and all 1 v1 fights would end up as a stalemate. Ironically, most fights against similar level of players are stalemates until one makes a slight mistake.

It's the mistakes, not any tips, that make the difference.

[CAP1]

Sigh

It's the mistakes, not any tips, that make the difference.

although i don't think i'm that good, i kind of agree with this. when i get someone's 6, i simply wait for them to make one of these mistakes. or i make a mistake predicting where they're going to go, then i;m dead......but i do understand.......but not from the golf analogy......never played it

<<S>>

[uptown]

I give up on you guys! The only one that said anything worth reading is Rolex. Why not post information on the boards that can benefit people? Tactics, training in a particular plane or something from time to time. Instead this board is full of smart arse oneliners crying about how everyone sucks, except for them ofcoarse.
When was the last thread posted on how to stall fight in a jug or how to shake someone that's 400 off your six? The point I'm trying to make here is this: If you guys are as good as you say you are, teach us,teach me, I'm all eyes and ears. But I ain't going to hump nobodys leg or bow down and kiss your arse in the meantime. I'm here to stay and I'll pick when and where to fight the guys with more skill than me so that I land the kill and not you.
This is my 15 bucks I'm spending and if I have to run to stay alive or come in at 20K to kill you thats exactly what I'll do. I don't warp on command, steal kills, have a shade account or ho unless you ask for it. That's the way I live my life and that's the way I'll play the game until someone shows me a better way. And that is no BS

[Masherbrum]

all the timid ponies and doras?  It's basically all I see now.  Where are all the good ole days when you could get ganged on the deck by 4 la7's and 5 spit16's?  Now, if you don't fly above 16K, all you'll see is the underbelly of 8 ponies and 9 dora's! Even when you give them your 6, they make the half-hearted pass and run for 1/2 sector to climb out.

I know the feeling Mark.   

Take an incident last night.  Rooks were outnumbered ALMOST 2:1 to the Bish.   I rolled an La7 in Blue at A6.   Bish were hugging their CV ack.   I dispatch two and see a 109 running.    I give chase, low fuel, ammo but after almost a sector I get to 200 and he "all of a sudden" decides to fight.   Within three loops he's in the tower. 

The core of this game has moved from the "fight" to "rank and how easiest to amass kills to keep or raise it."     That is the bottom line.

I for one don't make it a habit to jump in a snake pit, unless a squadie needs some help. School will be out for the summer soon and then you'll have your noe spits and Las.

You've obviously never seen what the La7 can do in the hands of someone who can actually fight.   Those Summertime Squeakers are fodder regardless of the plane they are in.   Even some of "the elite" (rankwise that is and some who declare what Tour they've been flying since) are as easy to shoot down, as the two week newbie.    Once they lose any or all advantage they are easy meat.   

But back to the La7.   I've often declared the reason most hate it is because "They haven't a clue of ACM in it."   They use flaps in it (LMFAO).    I've been told by Luckys "that there is no way I (Karaya) have EVER landed 10 kills in it (without a rearm).   Those that KNOW me, would be laughing at Luckys.   

Hell when I was in the CAF I had squaddies with their jaws dropped as I turn fought three La7's on the deck (wings scraped water a few times) and shot em all down in a FW-190F8.   It's the Indian, not the arrow.   

<<S>> Mark, you aren't alone.   Maybe we can get a Nazgul/Muppet winging session to happen tomorrow.   Yeah, screw it, let's make it happen.   

[DoNKeY]

I would rather spend a minute losing to a spit than five minutes chasing a 190.

<S> Strip

 

[Murdr]

I give up on you guys! The only one that said anything worth reading is Rolex. Why not post information on the boards that can benefit people?

Help & Training forum, you should try searching through it sometime.

[Husky01]

I'm almost completely burnt out of the Main Arenas as it at the moment. I mostly just fly Special Events now a days.

[BnZ]

Slight correction--Boom and Zoom IMHO is taking a shot (boom) then using energy and the vertical to setup another shot (hence,  "zoom"). What y'all are describing should be renamed "OPHA"-One Pass, Haul arnold.

I reckon I'm a moderate on the issue. I'd be the last guy to criticize someone for flying something fast and flying to survive, but  things are getting silly when you see a lone Pony running from co-alt situations with a lone 190, or you merge with another 190 and the guy does nothing and doesn't even break when you start shooting him. Common situations unfortunately. Or you got a Spit or Nik all to yourself to play with...sure, if you are in a 190 or a Pony and you aren't the gunnery god, it is probably his fight to screw up. But if you got some E to work with, you might as well hang around long enough to give him a chance to screw up.

[SkyRock]

Although I intend to completely own UpTown, to the point where I teach him......I will say this.....I don't enjoy timid dweebs wasting my time acting like they want to fight.  I mean  if you can't kill someone with 4 advantages opportunities, then die the 5th giving it all you got to get guins even when you know he just owned you!~  Just for righteousness' sake!

 

[Ack-Ack]

I give up on you guys! The only one that said anything worth reading is Rolex. Why not post information on the boards that can benefit people? Tactics, training in a particular plane or something from time to time. Instead this board is full of smart arse oneliners crying about how everyone sucks, except for them ofcoarse.
When was the last thread posted on how to stall fight in a jug or how to shake someone that's 400 off your six? The point I'm trying to make here is this: If you guys are as good as you say you are, teach us,teach me, I'm all eyes and ears. But I ain't going to hump nobodys leg or bow down and kiss your arse in the meantime. I'm here to stay and I'll pick when and where to fight the guys with more skill than me so that I land the kill and not you.
This is my 15 bucks I'm spending and if I have to run to stay alive or come in at 20K to kill you thats exactly what I'll do. I don't warp on command, steal kills, have a shade account or ho unless you ask for it. That's the way I live my life and that's the way I'll play the game until someone shows me a better way. And that is no BS

Maybe if you actually took some time and search the Training forums, you will find the exact posts you are claiming don't exist.  I know for a fact that I have posted numerous threads on ACM, flying the P-38 and various plane vs. plane tactics over the last 8 years and I'm not the only one.  You can also go to sites such as NetAces.org and read some of the fantastic write ups on various subjects such as Merging, Energy Fighting, Defensive Tactics, etc.  You can also watch other player's films to see how certain maneuvers or tactics are performed.  Basically, you have to be willing to actually spend the time needed to improve instead of posting what amounts to a whine because you can't get what you want handed to you on a silver platter.

Remember the old saying,  you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. 


ack-ack

[Anaxogoras]

Ironically, most fights against similar level of players are stalemates until one makes a slight mistake.

It's the mistakes, not any tips, that make the difference.

This is true, except that most fights between similarly skilled pilots are filled with mistakes; it's the pilot who makes the second-to-last mistake that wins.

[Ack-Ack]

I don't enjoy timid dweebs wasting my time acting like they want to fight. 

I honestly don't know why people that play a PvP centric game such as this are so unwilling to fight.  They might as well play MS FlightSim, it's cheaper and you can fly all day long and enjoy the pretty scenery.


ack-ack

[forHIM]

Main www.hitechcreations.com web page --> Game Info -> Need Training   Brings up a wonderful site for you uptown. I believe it has basics and links to some more advanced information.  While its not necessarily specific to one plane or another it might be useful to some.

[Widewing]

I give up on you guys! The only one that said anything worth reading is Rolex. Why not post information on the boards that can benefit people? Tactics, training in a particular plane or something from time to time. Instead this board is full of smart arse oneliners crying about how everyone sucks, except for them ofcoarse.
When was the last thread posted on how to stall fight in a jug or how to shake someone that's 400 off your six? The point I'm trying to make here is this: If you guys are as good as you say you are, teach us,teach me, I'm all eyes and ears. But I ain't going to hump nobodys leg or bow down and kiss your arse in the meantime. I'm here to stay and I'll pick when and where to fight the guys with more skill than me so that I land the kill and not you.
This is my 15 bucks I'm spending and if I have to run to stay alive or come in at 20K to kill you thats exactly what I'll do. I don't warp on command, steal kills, have a shade account or ho unless you ask for it. That's the way I live my life and that's the way I'll play the game until someone shows me a better way. And that is no BS

Listen, you are doing the Trainers (who spend a great deal of their personal time helping others) a major disservice. I'm in the TA four nights a week. I haven't seen you.

Stop in Tuesday through Friday evenings. I'll evaluate you. First, I'm going to find out what you know and don't know, what you can do and can't do. Then we'll set out to improve those things that need attention.

But be advised, I can't make you think. I can't make you listen. I can't fly the plane for you. I'm gonna run your butt ragged. When you find out how difficult it is to really excel at air combat, you'll realize that no matter how much time a trainer spends with you, 95% of the improvement is from hard work. You will get a regular butt kicking.... that's how we learn. You're going to film everything and you will review it to learn from errors. If you want to be good at air combat, you have to put in the time and effort. There's no shortcuts.

My regards,

Widewing