My "safe" neighborhood

[MsBhaven]

i'd be willing to bet that some of your own neighbors are doing it too....not just the people in the "dumpy" apartments. did ya ever thing that maybe there's nice people in some of them, but that's all they can afford?

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actually none of my neighbors go speeding on our street it is the people up the road from us and i know that b/c they come flying down the street from there and go flying up the street to there. I never said there werent any nice people up there. I also understand that those apartments are all they can afford but if they can only afford that then why would they want to possibly kill a kid who runs in the street b/c they are speeding or even get a speeding ticket.

[CAP1]

Boy, did I feel like a major heel after reading that right after seeing what I said to candlemas. 
Sorry.

you've nothing to apologize for.....

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[candlemas]

CAP1 - than you for your (long) reply! I agree with everything you said. You can't de-gun America. You can't de-gun any country where a gun culture has been allowed to take hold. That would be like trying to create peace in Iraq.

I'm glad you have a choice that you are able to take. There are all kinds of choices in this life, including where to live. I'm glad of that choice and have lived in two other countries besides my own. I can either live in an "unarmed" society, where there are many fewer criminals with guns, or live in a place where there are guns aplenty, but where my own son cannot step out of the front door without hearing bullets whistling overhead and has to come back in to take cover. I think I'll choose the first option. 

[CAP1]

actually none of my neighbors go speeding on our street it is the people up the road from us and i know that b/c they come flying down the street from there and go flying up the street to there. I never said there werent any nice people up there. I also understand that those apartments are all they can afford but if they can only afford that then why would they want to possibly kill a kid who runs in the street b/c they are speeding or even get a speeding ticket.

HHMM.......good points......i think i can offer a suggestion then, that's MUCH better than the soccerball one.....

in a neighboring town to me, people used to create the problem you dscribe during rush hour......the used the residential roads for shortcuts to get to the main road. the people complained......the borough put in speed bumps.....but not the harsh/sharp kind.....but these are fatter and less harsh. if you're driving the speed limit, you barely feel them.......if you're doing only 35 or 40...then you do feel them.....might be something to bring up to your local officials?

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[CAP1]

CAP1 - than you for your (long) reply! I agree with everything you said. You can't de-gun America. You can't de-gun any country where a gun culture has been allowed to take hold. That would be like trying to create peace in Iraq.

I'm glad you have a choice that you are able to take. There are all kinds of choices in this life, including where to live. I'm glad of that choice and have lived in two other countries besides my own. I can either live in an "unarmed" society, where there are many fewer criminals with guns, or live in a place where there are guns aplenty, but where my own son cannot step out of the front door without hearing bullets whistling overhead and has to come back in to take cover. I think I'll choose the first option. 

yep.....that's why i apologized at the end for the long reply....i get longwinded sometimes when i'm trying to make a point

for any of it's short commings though, i'll sta right here in the good ole USA.....i truely do believe that this is still the best place in the world to live.......nowhere else in the world can  have the freedoms or rights that i have here.

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[MsBhaven]

HHMM.......good points......i think i can offer a suggestion then, that's MUCH better than the soccerball one.....

in a neighboring town to me, people used to create the problem you dscribe during rush hour......the used the residential roads for shortcuts to get to the main road. the people complained......the borough put in speed bumps.....but not the harsh/sharp kind.....but these are fatter and less harsh. if you're driving the speed limit, you barely feel them.......if you're doing only 35 or 40...then you do feel them.....might be something to bring up to your local officials?

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yeah we have talked to them and they said that we will see a increase in patrol vehicles by the weekend and that is good but the only problem is these people slow down when they know or see a cop up there and then when the cops leave they start all over again. There are 2 good hills on our street so hopefully they will sit somewhere so when the cars are speeding up or down they can catch some of these people. I just worry b/c our neighborhood is full of little kids and kids walking home from school and you never know. The soccer ball thing was funny but I wouldnt do that b/c next thing you know they would be trying to sue us for something.

[CAP1]

yeah we have talked to them and they said that we will see a increase in patrol vehicles by the weekend and that is good but the only problem is these people slow down when they know or see a cop up there and then when the cops leave they start all over again. There are 2 good hills on our street so hopefully they will sit somewhere so when the cars are speeding up or down they can catch some of these people. I just worry b/c our neighborhood is full of little kids and kids walking home from school and you never know. The soccer ball thing was funny but I wouldnt do that b/c next thing you know they would be trying to sue us for something.

yep...sue..or worse......like drive bys...or vandalizing your or your neighbors things. the patrol is a good idea, but most people can tell an unmarked police car a mile away....i know i can.....but at leas they're trying to help. i justr think the speed bump thing is the best idea, as it never takes a break, and ya don't have to pay them.
 one other thing i'm wondering if will do any good there? if you or any of your neighbors are home on a regular basis when this happens, keep a digital camera with ya...take pics of them doing this......or even better, you can buy radar guns for less than $100.....radar the bastages, get them on film(or digital media)and send it to the police.
 i do realize you shouldn't have to do all this, but it'll help.........i hope.........

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[MsBhaven]

yep...sue..or worse......like drive bys...or vandalizing your or your neighbors things. the patrol is a good idea, but most people can tell an unmarked police car a mile away....i know i can.....but at leas they're trying to help. i justr think the speed bump thing is the best idea, as it never takes a break, and ya don't have to pay them.
 one other thing i'm wondering if will do any good there? if you or any of your neighbors are home on a regular basis when this happens, keep a digital camera with ya...take pics of them doing this......or even better, you can buy radar guns for less than $100.....radar the bastages, get them on film(or digital media)and send it to the police.
 i do realize you shouldn't have to do all this, but it'll help.........i hope.........

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yeah the people that live beside us on the right are home from 3-to whenever usually and they have 2 little kids and the people across the street have a little girl and on both sides of them they have kids also and they are constantly outside yelling at these cars to slow down but the next time they go by they just go faster...who knows hopefully something will happen. Like i said if the cops sit on the side of the hill where you cant see them comming from the apts as soon as they top the hill they should get busted....hmm who knows...

[Toad]

I you DON'T get to choose whether the criminals are armed. That choice has been made for you.

Back again Beet1e?

You don't get to choose whether the criminals are armed in Jolly Olde England either. Despite your handgun ban, there are still criminals with handguns preying on your law abiding citizens.

Draconian English gun laws have left your gun homicide rate essentially unchanged since the 1920's. It's not the gun, it's the society. Yours is moving closer to ours, so I expect your gun homicide rate will edge up as the years go by. In 40 years time England will not be a a 92% (or is it higher?) whitebread society like it is now.

BTW, I'm betting Skuzzy will ban you again shortly...

[candlemas]

for any of it's short commings though, i'll sta right here in the good ole USA.....i truely do believe that this is still the best place in the world to live.......nowhere else in the world can  have the freedoms or rights that i have here.

I'm glad you're happy where you are. Hopefully you're like me in having the freedom to walk out of your own front door without having bullets whizzing past and then having to come back in. Apparently TXMom's son does not enjoy that freedom.

[moot]

I heard gunfire nearby more often in France than in the US.  What do you make of that, beet1e?