General Gun Discussion

[CAP1]

Jackal, I'm a gun owner who believes that if our Government allows unstable delusional old hippie revolutionaries to own firearms- say, someone like me, for instance- then we're in deep doo doo.

just keep your training current. got o shoots at your local club......have fun with it.......

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[Curval]

I'm still waiting for Curval to answer those two questions.

If it's the harsh laws for possession that stop people from having guns on Bermuda, wouldn't harsh laws for use of guns work just as well?

The basic point is that it is the laws that keep your island gun-free, right? Law and the respect for the law?

So why wouldn't law and the respect for law keep people from using guns in criminal activities if guns were allowed?

I am really beginning to question your reading capabilities Toad.

I will answer them directly, then address your question:

1.  I am NOT saying it can't be done.  Getting or making a firearm is possible in any country.  Making the bullets might actually be tougher HERE though...I understand it isn't difficult to make your own ammo given the right equipment....good luck finding it.  Possible though I am sure.

2.  We don't allow anyone to have guns.  Period.  Good guys or bad guys.

Now, as to your question Toad...we simply don't want guns freely available.  There hasn't been a death here from accidental discharge of a firearm since I have been alive....that's one reason.  We lost a governor, his aide de camp and his dog to gun violence in the early seventies.

We hanged the culprit.

We simply don't want them Toad...that is all there is to it.  You have your laws, we have ours.  So far ours have worked out *fairly well*.  Nothing is perfect in this world.

If things get to the point that they have in the US maybe we will revisit the concept of gun ownership.  We are nowhere near that stage yet.  As to recreational shooting...if you have the desire you can join a club.  I thought I did a few months ago but the type of shooting these guys did wasn't for me.  There are a couple of other clubs but frankly I would rather go spend my time playing golf with my sons.

Hunting?  Nothing to hunt...and no room to do it in without risking lives anyway.

[whiteman]

30 years in Texas and the 1 time I have heard a gun shot was while my uncle was shooting skeet at his ranch, go figure.

[ROX]

If you trust the local cops to get to you in time...live gun free.

If your country bans guns and NO bad guys have guns...live gun free.  My compliments.

I live in a country where bad people have guns.

Personally, I'd rather have a hand cannon and hollow points and air condition a bad guy with more holes than swiss cheese and defend myself in court later than be carried out of a church by six people graveyard dead.

If someone gets over the fence...gets past the German Shephards...gets past the security measures...and breaks into MY house I have no qualms whatsoever with blowing his pumpkin clean off.


ROX

[AKIron]

2.  We don't allow anyone to have guns.  Period.  Good guys or bad guys.

Things ever get tough I know where I'm going to invade. 

[Elfie]

I'm surprised it was published. The author is probably fired by now and I suspect Beet will have his job shortly.

 

[Toad]

I am really beginning to question your reading capabilities Toad.

I will answer them directly, then address your question:

Now, as to your question Toad...we simply don't want guns freely available. 

Gosh, Curval, I'm like, TOTALLY questioning YOUR reading abilities too!

You didn't answer the questions Laz or I posed.

The question is do you think it is the laws and/or respect for the law that stop people from getting or making firearms (in Laz' first question)?

Pretty simple.. do you think it is the laws or something else?

If you think it IS the law, then wouldn't a law prohibiting illegal use of a firearm work just as well?

Was I clear enough this time? 

[wrongwayric]

I'm going out for a smoke....oh wait i forgot that's another choice that's been taken away. Go ahead give up your rights and freedoms that's really what our government and a lot of people in this country want. You don't want to own a gun, then don't, you don't want to eat in a restaurant that allows smoking then don't. You can't choose on your own without the government making that decision for you? Your right in that we do not need more laws or restrictions, we need enforcement of the existing laws! Here's an example of the stupid knee jerk political laws that are created. In Indiana a senator (think) was driving down the interstate in his convertible car with the top down, another car or truck flipped a cigarrette out and it landed in his car. His car catches on fire an he gets mad, so he introduced a bill making it illegal to flip a cigarette out the window! Don't we already have a litter law? Had the law on the books been enforced this probably wouldn't have happened in the first place. Once you give up the freedom of choice it's gone, you seriously think the government will let you have it back as easy as they take it?

[wrag]

Anybody got a link to the speech referenced?

I don't have the link anymore but think it was by Susan Gaita Hupp?

She later went on to political office, think in Texas.

YOU KNOW how she voted on firearms issues!

IIRC she was in a cafe with her family having dinner.

Some crazy rammed the cafe and then got out went inside and started shooting people.

She lost both her parents there.

She was OBEYING the law, she had a permit but no one was allowed to carry in a restaurant or such places and her firearm was in her vehicle.

She was VERY angry with the politicians there after.  I think to some degree she blamed the politicians and their laws for the needless loss of her parents and the lives of others.

[Curval]

Gosh, Curval, I'm like, TOTALLY questioning YOUR reading abilities too!

You didn't answer the questions Laz or I posed.

The question is do you think it is the laws and/or respect for the law that stop people from getting or making firearms (in Laz' first question)?

Pretty simple.. do you think it is the laws or something else?

If you think it IS the law, then wouldn't a law prohibiting illegal use of a firearm work just as well?

Was I clear enough this time? 

Question 1.  Yes I do think it is the laws that stop people from making or getting firearms.  Without that law people would be selling them for profit legally.

Question 2.  No it would not work just as well.  You are suggesing a law punnishing people for USING a gun illegally is as good, but logically a crime has already been committed for your suggested law to come into effect.  A very serious one, involving a deadly weapon.  The idea here is to prevent that initial crime from happening.

Clear enough?

[lazs2]

it is indeed rare for the government to loosen its grip on our testicles but.. some examples would be prohibition and the sunsetting of the semi auto carbine ban.

cap has it right..he realizes that it is the person who takes the responsibility and effort to arm himself for his family and fellows that is what make the country safer.

If 10 million more people joined the NRA..   No democrat would dare to try to disarm us.

lazs

[lazs2]

no curval it is not clear enough.. if you had a 20 year penalty for selling guns illegally then wouldn't that work as well?

number two...if anyone can make or get a gun..and I can.. I could do it in week on your island.. then it is the penalty not the lack of firearms.. logic says that the penalty causes the lack of firearms but.. logic also says that such a draconian penalty.. or worse.. for misuse would do the same thing.

You of course...   point out that "we here" do not want firearms...  I am sure you did not mean every person on the island doesn't want firearms... maybe not even a vast majority.. you seem willing to speak for everyone tho.   Pure democracy at work.. minus the vote.    "We" being enough.   If even one law abiding person wants a gun then you are not only taking away his rights but threatening him with some draconian penalty for even possesion....

Do you chop of the hands of theives?  that would prevent theft wouldn't it?   Maybe just chop off everyones hands right at first and nip it in the bud huh?

Still.. can't get too mad at you.. it is not like you live in a real place.. pretty much an amusement park.. when you want to see life you just go to a real country.. even shoot guns there I have heard.

lazs

[Airhead]

We had a major fire at our power generation plant here...knocked out the entire city for two days. 

Their second biggest disaster was the time a provisions ship sank, taking the entire supply of  Bermuda's Hollandaise Sauce to the bottom of the ocean...I saw the video of those poor, poor Aristocrats trying to choke down their asparagus without Hollandaise Sauce, and it was the saddest thing I've ever seen.    

[Airhead]

I'm going out for a smoke....oh wait i forgot that's another choice that's been taken away.

Hey, if anyone tries to light a cigarette around me I'll shoot it out of their damn mouth. The only smoking I like is the smoking from my gun. 

[Toad]

Question 1.  Yes I do think it is the laws that stop people from making or getting firearms.  Without that law people would be selling them for profit legally.

So you are saying that Bermudians do respect and obey a law that punishes them harshly for having/making a firearm.

Question 2.  No it would not work just as well.  You

Now you are saying that if firearms were legal in Bermuda, Bermudians would not respect or obey a law that would punish them harshly for misusing a legally owned firearm.

That doesn't seem like a contradiction to you?