who really believe in your rights...

[lazs2]

The amicus brief filed by the government to the supremes said that those who signed it believed that the second amendment was an individual right.. that it was your right to keep and bear arms... it was passed around the halls and...

52 members of congress signed it..  250 house members signed it..  they all believe you have rights..

John McCain signed it.

hillary and osamabama did not sign it.

Think of that when they tell you how much they believe in the second amendment and your rights..

When osamabama says he only wants to keep guns out of the wrong hands..  guess what?  unless you are in his army or police or one of his bodyguards while on duty...  you have the wrong hands.

lazs

[midnight Target]

From what I've read the Amicus calls for the SC to define the 2nd as an individual right, but to also uphold the DC gun control laws.

[Kaw1000]

[lazs2]

mt.. where did you read that?    There is nothing in it at all about upholding the complete ban of firearms that DC has.

lazs

[lazs2]

MT.. I think this part is the part you want to look at..

""The District's prohibitions on mere possession by law-abiding persons of handguns in the home and having usable firearms there are unreasonable."

lazs

[Jackal1]

hillary and osamabama did not sign it.

Ain`t that a shocker. <insert sarcasm tag here>

[midnight Target]

http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/2008/01/government_file_1.php

Here you go.

[lazs2]

I believe that we are talking about two different things here MT.. you are talking about the DOJ brief that is simply a way to weazel out of a ruling.. It really just says that they want to send the thing back to the lower courts but.. it does say the second is an individual right.

I am talking about a brief filed by Kay Bailey Hutchinson and the house and congress.

here ya go....

http://www.jasonpye.com/blog/2008/02/members_of_congress_file_brief.html

you can see that we are talking about two different things.

none of the candidtates would be allowed to sign the document that you are referring to but..  as you can see...

The one that they could sign onto...

your guys said "no way".   McCain said "where do I sign?"

lazs

[TwentyFo]

There you have it Laz supports bans on guns.

[lazs2]

twentyfo.. I believe that you are even more confused than MT on this.

There was only one petition that the house and congress had a chance to sign.   osamabama and billary pulled back in horror at the thought that we as individuals might have rights.  they did not sign.

No matter what they say from now on.. it should be apparent that they are lying to us when they say they support our second amendment rights.. they had a chance and they showed their true colors.

No amount of photo op staged pics of them hunting or holding a shotgun will change this.   no fond memory lane trips about how billary is just a resurected Annie Oakley.. none of it will fly.

They had their chance to show where they stand and they did..  they don't think you have an individual right to keep and bear arms.. even tho.. in the USA today poll.. more than 90% of the American people do believe it.

They are out of touch with over 90% of the American people.   They are bought and paid for by sorros and the brady bunch.

lazs

[TwentyFo]

They will not do anything to hamper our 2nd ammendment rights. Living in Nebraska, buying a gun is not that difficult. I went with my buddy to Cabela's to pick out a new shotgun. The process was pretty seamless, he spent more time shopping for one than the actual purchase. No need to be so paranoid about losing 2nd ammendment rights. Gonna take a lot more than a president to do so.

[CAP1]

They will not do anything to hamper our 2nd ammendment rights. Living in Nebraska, buying a gun is not that difficult. I went with my buddy to Cabela's to pick out a new shotgun. The process was pretty seamless, he spent more time shopping for one than the actual purchase. No need to be so paranoid about losing 2nd ammendment rights. Gonna take a lot more than a president to do so.

be careful with that attitude. that's almost what they want us to all think. then to top it off, the media hypes any and all violence so far out of proportion, that they create fear of weapons. THEN they'll get wehat they want, and you'll wake up one morning with your rights gone.

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[Toad]

Lacking incorporation of the 2nd is a problem though.

You may have no problem with a shotgun in Nebraska. Try getting a pistol in NYC, DC, Chicago or other places. Try getting a <cough> assault weapon </cough> in Kali.

After the 2nd is incorporated, different story.  Not so right now. Incorporation depends primarily on the SC. Presidents appoint SC justices, the Senate confirms them.

[midnight Target]

Lazs, I'm not confused, you are. You said "the amicus brief filed by the government". I found the brief filed by the "government". Maybe you are the one who is confused by the authors of the amicus.

You also have no idea as to the availability of the brief to any of the Senators.

[Toad]

MT, do you really think Hutchinson skipped some Senators and Representatives when she circulated the amicus brief for Heller? It got to 300+ of them but somehow Obama and Hillary didn't get a copy?

Reports are Obama refused to sign saying "I don't like taking a stand on pending cases."

I'm thinking Billary and Bama had their chance and passed on it. After all they're in a tight race and they're pandering to the extreme wing of the Democratic party to get the nomination (along with every other wing of the Democratic party). Is it reasonable to think that signing up in favor of Heller's position would improve their chances at the Dem nomination? Nah, don't think it would; it'd hurt, not help.