who really believe in your rights...

[midnight Target]

Point is ... neither you nor lazs KNOW. Don't let that stop you from forming an opinion though. Knowing can be detrimental to your cause.

[TwentyFo]

Lacking incorporation of the 2nd is a problem though.

You may have no problem with a shotgun in Nebraska. Try getting a pistol in NYC, DC, Chicago or other places. Try getting a <cough> assault weapon </cough> in Kali.

After the 2nd is incorporated, different story.  Not so right now. Incorporation depends primarily on the SC. Presidents appoint SC justices, the Senate confirms them.

A pistol or assault weapon would be even easier to get. I know plenty of people who sell those on the "black market". Also, getting one via the internet or gun show is another avenue. All that matters is how much you are willing to spend and how fast you want one.

[Yeager]

A pistol or assault weapon would be even easier to get. I know plenty of people who sell those on the "black market". Also, getting one via the internet or gun show is another avenue. All that matters is how much you are willing to spend and how fast you want one.

Whats wrong with easily getting a pistol?  whats an assault weapon?  any weapon can be used in an assault.  By black market are you refering to private sales?   You can buy cars and houses over the internet why not a firearm?

[Yeager]

Point is ... neither you nor lazs KNOW. Don't let that stop you from forming an opinion though. Knowing can be detrimental to your cause.

If you beleive someone is experiencing a misunderstanding do you belittle them for any particular reason?

[SteveBailey]

You also have no idea as to the availability of the brief to any of the Senators.

MT this is just  way below you. Then in your next post you imply that suppositions are being drawn  based on a lack of knwledge, when in fact your horses didn't sign.  Man up and admit they didn't sign, instead of pulling the Weaselly BS you just tried. It's beneath your character to take such a tack.

[SteveBailey]

A I know plenty of people who sell those on the "black market".

Sorry.. plenty?   BS I doubt you know one.

[Mini D]

Actually, MT, you seem to think the generic term "the government" only aplies to the brief you are reffering to. Seems to me "the government" also filed the one Lazs is reffering to. Maybe you're just trying to cloud up the very valid point he's making?

The brief linked by lazs has 9 democratic senators signing, so there's not a clear party line on it. There's no hint that it was witheld from some people in order to make them look bad. I think it's very reasonable to assume that if someone didn't sign the brief, they didn't want to.

Maybe you should ask yourself a simple question: "If Hillary and Obama chose not to sign it, what would that mean?"

[TwentyFo]

Sorry.. plenty?   BS I doubt you know one.

Ok....if you say so.

[lazs2]

so let me get this straight....

MT.. do you really believe that with over half of the house and senate signing..  that somehow... your two socialists didn't get the chance to sign?   That they didn't know it even existed?

If they didn't know then it would seem that you could link me to the statement made by either of these liberal, anti second amendment rights candidates.. that you could link me to a statement made by them about how they would have signed if the other 99% of the the house and senate had not hid the document from them just to make em look bad?

I will settle for that.. show me where they wished they coulda signed.

Or.. simply admit that neither of the democratic socialist candidates agrees with the 90% of the people of America who all think that it is indeed an individual right.   That the only thing that matters to them is taking away rights and getting funds from sorros and anti gun groups and signing on with the United Nations arms limitation agreement (to take guns out of the hands of the people)

Which brings up another point.. John McCain said that he would never sign any UN document that took away our second amendment rights..  Can you say the same for your liberal socialist candidates?

Thought not.

osamabama has said that he favors a ban on handguns and taking away the right to concealed carry that we have...  also.. all semi auto firearms.

lazs

[midnight Target]

I believe that the brief I linked was much more in line with your description of a government sponsored amicus brief, since it represents the views of the Executive branch of our government and was submitted by the solicitor general.

I don't believe anyone can draw a single conclusion except that Obama and Clinton are 2 of 50 Senators and 250 representatives that did not sign the Amicus. 

And No One can say that anyone "pulled back in horror at the thought that we as individuals might have rights." Without using a great deal of whole cloth.

[Toad]

Obama gave an interview to the Chicago Sun Times that clearly shows he wouldn't sign the amicus brief.

S-T: But you don't want to take a stand on the D.C. gun-ban law?

B.O.: I don't like taking a stand on pending cases.

I'm still researching comments by Hillary.

[Dago]

Hillary and yomama want to take away guns from citizens, and they haven't showed any real desire to disguise that fact.

They feel that they, and the other morons on the far left should be able to override the Constitution at their convienience.  Same thing the loonie left accuse Bush of doing.   What?  loonie left politicians should be allowed to toss out our rights, but Bush can't?  Loonie lefts can't have it both ways.

[TwentyFo]

Chit.....

I think everyone should have guns....whether they are legal or not. The NRA are a bunch people who do nothing for the people they are supposed to represent. The only thing the NRA does is collect money in order to build a shrine to Charleton Heston. They need to disband the NRA and create an organization that has some real leadership. An organization that matters to everyone. An organization that is able to overthrow the government if the politicians get out of line.

[TwentyFo]

 

[DREDIOCK]

Reports are Obama refused to sign saying "I don't like taking a stand on pending cases."

Seems to me thats exactly the time you should be taking a stand.
Once its alrady resolved. What the point?