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Offline midnight Target

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Misogyny and Hillary
« on: June 05, 2008, 09:14:08 AM »
Hard to discount the sexism she has had to deal with over the last couple of years. I think she got a raw deal from the media in general and is treated despicably by some of the conservative pundits. The big difference is that she is attacked by liberals as well and using her sex as a weapon is no different than attacking Obama due to his race. Overall I feel that if the same were done to Obama during the race we would be calling for some people's heads on a platter ala Don Imus.

 CNN covers misogyny
http://hillaryclintonnews.blogspot.com/2008/05/cnn-covers-misogyny-in-media.html

 Sexism Sells
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-IrhRSwF9U



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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2008, 09:22:54 AM »
Sadly, this will not end well.


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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2008, 09:26:58 AM »
Or maybe her personality drives people away. Boy or girl, an axehole is still an axehole.

I'd love to sit you down with my cousin the Secret Service guy. He has served at the White House since the Reagan years. His opinion of Hill has nothing to do with her being a woman. It has everything to do with her being an axehole.

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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2008, 09:38:18 AM »
Hillery was too conservative for the media, and she paid the price at Obama's benefit. Just wait to see how much balance the somewhat more conservative liberal McCain receives from the media as we move forward.

I do find it funny, though, to see both Billy and Hillery so distraught about the evil media. Bill has been particulary pissed, even pissed at Soros and Move On. How quickly the media worm turns when another golden boy captures their far left imagination and how angry the previous golden boy and girl feel as a result.

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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2008, 09:39:51 AM »
Doesn't matter Toad. While that may be true enough, the sexism is still pervasive and wrong. Her personality, regardless of how it is perceived is still no excuse for the treatment she has received based solely on her sex.  

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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2008, 09:48:23 AM »
Doesn't matter Toad. While that may be true enough, the sexism is still pervasive and wrong. Her personality, regardless of how it is perceived is still no excuse for the treatment she has received based solely on her sex.  
at some point we must all face the world on the world's terms.  in my opinion women pretty much gum up anything they are involved in.  I'm all for barefooted, pregnant and in the kitchen.  they create far less havoc that way even if they can't really cook worth a cent at least they do clean up fairly well.  now there are exceptions to this rule but bye and large it applies uniformly.  ask any man who has to deal with women in the field of first responder, law enforcement or in a combat MOS how they feel about working with women.

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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2008, 10:05:43 AM »
Hard to discount the sexism she has had to deal with over the last couple of years. I think she got a raw deal from the media in general and is treated despicably by some of the conservative pundits. The big difference is that she is attacked by liberals as well and using her sex as a weapon is no different than attacking Obama due to his race. Overall I feel that if the same were done to Obama during the race we would be calling for some people's heads on a platter ala Don Imus.

 CNN covers misogyny
http://hillaryclintonnews.blogspot.com/2008/05/cnn-covers-misogyny-in-media.html

 Sexism Sells
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-IrhRSwF9U




I think her down fall was caused by her back peddling on issues. For example, I'm from NY and our Governor (Spitzer) at the time wanted to issue illegal aliens drivers licences. Hillary was all for it and backed him 100% till public opinion said 75% of the state was against it. So there Hillary was back peddling saying she didn't agree with it. Besides she's been a Senator in NY for a few years and hasn't done much here at all. Good riddance IMHO.

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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2008, 10:19:46 AM »
MT, her general arrogance turned people off, along with her inability to admit mistakes.

Sad too, because on an issue by issue basis I'm closer to her politically than I am Obama or McBush.

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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2008, 10:23:07 AM »
Doesn't matter Toad. While that may be true enough, the sexism is still pervasive and wrong. Her personality, regardless of how it is perceived is still no excuse for the treatment she has received based solely on her sex.  

How can you attribute it solely to her sex? Maybe they knifed her because she's an axehole?
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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2008, 11:08:09 AM »
How's that old saying go about polishing a turd?

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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2008, 11:31:44 AM »
By that logic it is no problem to use the "N" when talking about a black man as long as he is an axehole. Really?

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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2008, 11:42:31 AM »
  Hillary would have made a great president. I think the primary was very well played by Obama, he defiantly appeared to take the high road by the media.  I'm not sure sexism had as much to play as did her campaign staff making poor decisions.

  On a side note, after 8 years of Obama,  Hillary will make a good president.


 

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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2008, 12:31:25 PM »
Race trumped sex among the democrats. I find it distasteful that either would be THE reason for voting for someone but after all, I'm not a democrat.
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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2008, 12:38:34 PM »
I see something interesting going on here in the democratic party. There were most definitely 2 camps marching somewhat parallel. I saw the clinton machine trying to maintain control of the party and exercising the fund raising expertise they have. I also see the kennedy clan now starting to try and regain camelot or at least the control of the democratic party. The telling items were the vigorous support of obama by ted and the appointing of caroline kennedy to obama's VP search engine. It's a contest of dynasties in search of power. I wonder who the kennedy's will be grooming to maintain the position later on. Perhaps they feel caroline will gain the exposure and "experience" to try and run based on her family's tragedies.
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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2008, 12:49:27 PM »
MT, Hillary lost because 1) Bill said alot of stupid things, 2) Her campaign was mismanaged and 3) She was percieved as arrogant.

Gender had nothing to do with Hillary's defeat, MT- so quit acting like a girl.