Wirblewind vs. Ostwind

[Masherbrum]

Hello Spike,

There is no such thing as a cheap kill.  It's really a matter of how much you want to pay to get that kill.  He is obviously looking to pay as little as possible.  I understand what you are saying, but then I am not to interested in the scoring aspect of this game.  Regardless of how much you pay for any kill, it still will only net you a single soul.  I welcome any and all airplanes to come get their inexpensive kill on my Ostie or Wirbel (A-20's and IL-2's need not apply).

<Salute>

Quit your crying and suck it up.    I'm not interested in the SCORING either, funny how you mentioned it though.

Not my fault, I can roll an La7 and pull the trigger for a second and neuter a flak.   You welcome nothing.    Ask LoedeCH or GooseCH sometime.   They'll "clue you in".   

I've lost count of the times the Zazen and I have cleared a vulched field.   But I'm sorry, you're obviously the best in the Ostie, wait, I meant full of yourself.   

[waystin2]

Hello Mash,

Obviously said something to tweak your nose, if so it was not my intention.  If you don't mind me asking just what exactly am I to suck up?  There was no whine given, so I am not sure where your animosity comes from.  Are you ill?  Someone wee in your cornflakes?  Did your dog die?  Did you buy a losing scratch ticket?  Forget to take your meds?  Break a nail?  As I said before Sir, Zazen has my respect.  Goose and Loede I know in passing.  You sir I don't know, and at this point would not care to.  Full of myself?  No, I would say confident in my knowledge and experience on this subject.  For a blow hard that I don't know and who does not know me, you are certainly spending a lot of time trying to flame an intelligent conversation with one of the nicest folks in the Aces High community.

<Salute>

Ostie/Wirbel God

[opposum]

Hi All,

This has probably been brought up a thousand times already, and for that I apologize, but the Wirblewind and the Ostwind shouldn't have the same ENY value.

It is much more difficult to destroy aircraft with an Ostwind, and while strafing Osties left you with a good chance of taking out the turret and surviving, Wirbles are simply murderous in competent hands.

Also, reducing the ENY on the Ostie would encourage their use (more perkies per kill) - at present they have virtually disappeared from the game.

- SEAGOON

you have never met an LTAR in an ostie obviously     

[Masherbrum]

Hello Mash,

Obviously said something to tweak your nose, if so it was not my intention.  If you don't mind me asking just what exactly am I to suck up?  There was no whine given, so I am not sure where your animosity comes from.  Are you ill?  Someone wee in your cornflakes?  Did your dog die?  Did you buy a losing scratch ticket?  Forget to take your meds?  Break a nail?  As I said before Sir, Zazen has my respect.  Goose and Loede I know in passing.  You sir I don't know, and at this point would not care to.  Full of myself?  No, I would say confident in my knowledge and experience on this subject.  For a blow hard that I don't know and who does not know me, you are certainly spending a lot of time trying to flame an intelligent conversation with one of the nicest folks in the Aces High community.

<Salute>

Ostie/Wirbel God

Sorry, I'm not mad at all.   You brought a lack of intelligence to this conversation.   All I pointed out to some is that you DO NOT need a wingman OR ord to take a flak down.   

Sorry if you're incapable of understanding or DEALING with this fact.   

Go and attempt to pee in someone else's cornflakes because you missed my bowl by a mile.   

[SlapShot]

Sorry, I'm not mad at all.   You brought a lack of intelligence to this conversation.   All I pointed out to some is that you DO NOT need a wingman OR ord to take a flak down.   

Sorry if you're incapable of understanding or DEALING with this fact.   

Go and attempt to pee in someone else's cornflakes because you missed my bowl by a mile.   

Mash ... I think the guy you were really after was SpikesX ... not waystin2. I believe that waystin2 was actually agreeing with you.

[SlapShot]

All you're doing is wasting a few rounds of ammo, while someone else comes in with a bomb or is in a GV who actually works for the kill, and gets an assist.

Well, I smoked 4 WW turrets the other day, after hangers were down, while waiting for others to come that had ord. I had already dumped my ord taking a VH down.

So ... while flying CAP, and not wanting to tempt fate to the WWs while waiting for others to arrive ... I smoked their turrets ... nothing cheap about that.

Dive at an 80-90 degree angle and throw some .50 cals down the top and they are "smoked" ... very easy.

If I ended up with the kill(s) ... so what ... if I didn't ... so what again. It never is about "score" for me ... it's about getting the job done at the time.

SCORE MEANS NOTHING !!!

[Ack-Ack]

Pretty cheap kills doing that.

Are you serious or trying to troll?  I hope it's just an attempt at a troll because I really can't believe you would actually believe crap like that.  Don't let the tools in this game convince you of such nonsense because that's all it is. 


ack-ack

[Ack-Ack]

Mash ... I think the guy you were really after was SpikesX ... not waystin2. I believe that waystin2 was actually agreeing with you.

No, waystin2 was pretty much supporting the 'cheap' kill argument by challenging Karaya to attempt to get an 'inexpensive' kill against him in a flak panzie or weeblewobble.

ack-ack

[Brooke]

Dive at an 80-90 degree angle and throw some .50 cals down the top and they are "smoked" ... very easy.

When I try that, the flak always seems to nail me before I nail it.  Might be my poor aim or their good aim.  Still, at what range do you guys open up?  Seems like a flak would have longer range than the guns on an aircraft.

[SlapShot]

When I try that, the flak always seems to nail me before I nail it.  Might be my poor aim or their good aim.  Still, at what range do you guys open up?  Seems like a flak would have longer range than the guns on an aircraft.

I start shooting at about 800k ... with .50 cals.

It's not impossible, but it is very hard for a WW or Ostwind to track planes coming in at that angle ... and most aren't looking straight up, so they don't see ya coming. It really works well when they are occupied by someone else.

[DaveJ]

Wirblewind should be perked in my opinion, but thats just me.

[Masherbrum]

Wirblewind should be perked in my opinion, but thats just me.

Why?   75% of the folks in em just listen to the WWII version of a Modern MK-15 Phalanx (CIWS).   25% of the folks in them, know when to fire (not at 3k) and what to look for.   Being "setup" as the illustrious waystin2 said is the EASIEST way to get kills.

The Field Gun is more accurate, more deadly in the hands of someone competent, at a greater distance.   Perking the Weeblewobble is pointless at best.   AH2 flourished before it came into fruition here.   

[waystin2]

Being "setup" as the illustrious waystin2 said is the EASIEST way to get kills.

Cool,  I'm illustrious!

[DaveJ]

   AH2 flourished before it came into fruition here.   

You're arguing against your own point there.

Wirblewinds are way to effective in my opinion. Anything with 4 x20mm with 4000 rounds is clearly perkable. And it doesn't help the range of the fire is absolutely unreal.

[Lusche]

The range isn't exactly unreal. It's much less than the Ostwind's. You can't register hits past ~1700 yards

The thing that actually is unreal are the rate of fire (continous firing required shooting with 2 barrels only) and turret rotation speed (our WW rotates almost twice as fast as the real one)


Still no perk status required, even though that ********** ended my Hurry IID career