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Re: So what do you oil dependant people think about this?
« Reply #90 on: July 19, 2008, 12:05:25 PM »
vortex.. you are deliberately missing the point.

If we used his math in the year 1250 to figure out leather use with a 2% gain in the buggy whip industry a year...  there would not be a leather bearing animal left and every man woman and child would own 1,000 or more buggy whips...

The point being.. it is a great exercise in mental math masturbation but not much else.  It is also great to feed the agony of the hand wringers who are never happy unless the sky is falling some time in the future..

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Re: So what do you oil dependant people think about this?
« Reply #91 on: July 19, 2008, 12:07:57 PM »
which describes perfectly the type of people who look up these types of topics in the first place.

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Re: So what do you oil dependant people think about this?
« Reply #92 on: July 19, 2008, 12:09:02 PM »
Well, my point of view is that... of course things change! They are bound to, or else what he describes would happen. And if it happens, well there's the change for you again. Nothing remains constant in a ever-changing world. But it's not a reason to disregard his mathematical model, as it is precisely what has to be avoided, it has to be taken into consideration when looking at what options there are if we are to be in control of events rather than victims of them.

Did that make sense? Sometimes my english is hampering my ability to express myself.
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Re: So what do you oil dependant people think about this?
« Reply #93 on: July 19, 2008, 12:36:48 PM »
your english is very good.  I am not sure I can say the same for your logical abilities.   If the sun increases it's radiance a tenth of a percent a year we would all burn up.. if it only does it for a couple of years we will be fine.

If the bear hadn't stopped in the woods to take a crap he woulda caught the rabbit...  if if if if...

math is a straight line and useful for a lot of things.. not so much for this kind of thing tho.   

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Re: So what do you oil dependant people think about this?
« Reply #94 on: July 19, 2008, 12:52:28 PM »
I'm not sure that you understand my standpoint. The bell-curve math model applies to the volume of oil we can pull from a well. What affects how much we can pull from it is the size of the source, and the state of the source (full, half-full, near-empty etc). As we approach the half-full, or less-than-half-full state of the overall world oil sources, maximum possible volume of oil per time inevitably decreases. Something we can do absolutely nothing about, without spending more and more energy towards aquiring energy, like the oil sand in N-America. This will show in production capacity. What this means is that as oil demand continues to increase, our supply continuously decrease, inevitably.

The only question really, is when excatly this half-full state (ore less than half full) of our oil sources will occur. Some say we're already there, while others claim it to be years off still. I say that we don't know exactly, but can only guess. His estimation is as good as anyone's and likely very accurate. The rest of his lecture is all math and doesn't really apply to the world we live in other as an example of how numbers can be mis-used, and how bad things can go if we don't pay attention to what's going on.

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Re: So what do you oil dependant people think about this?
« Reply #95 on: July 20, 2008, 09:39:44 AM »
you are correct in one thing..  we don't know how much oil is on the planet.  they discover fields (when allowed to) all the time.   We don't even know how it is made.   What makes oil?   

We have no idea what demand will be..  we only know what it is now and was in the past.

What bothers me about the guy is that he is all doom and gloom.. he is all sensational and no substance.  He doesn't say.. "hey.. things will probly change"    They will no matter what.. if oil goes to $500 a barrel..  how much do you think demand will drop?

Will some of these poor countries continue virtualy to give it away to their citizens and companies (subsidies) when it gets that high or will they reach a breaking point?  maybe do the math on that one!

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« Reply #96 on: July 20, 2008, 09:46:36 AM »
recent evidence is indicating that petroluem may be a by product of bacterial digestion.  yes a certain bacteria poops petroleum.  I think wrag posted a linky to the site some weeks back.

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« Reply #97 on: July 20, 2008, 10:00:50 AM »
Ahhh yes, oil is actually a renewable sorce... now what are you liberal hand wringers going to yap about next?

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Re: So what do you oil dependant people think about this?
« Reply #98 on: July 20, 2008, 10:06:40 AM »
See Rule #5
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Re: So what do you oil dependant people think about this?
« Reply #99 on: July 20, 2008, 10:28:12 AM »
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article4133668.ece

Amazing what you can find in a minute using google search engine, if you take a minute of your time that is.  :P

If it's true, that's very interesting! It remains to see however, how much oil can be produced this way. This alternative method of "growing" oil changes nothing concerning the continually increasing demand for oil however. We can not let the demand increase continue forever because there are limits to what this planet we're living on can sustain.

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Re: So what do you oil dependant people think about this?
« Reply #100 on: July 20, 2008, 11:39:56 AM »
The one big thing that nutty professor fails to tale into account is that the demand for oil will eventually decrease.  It is actually decreasing next year. 

Fairly exponential I suspect.
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Re: So what do you oil dependant people think about this?
« Reply #101 on: July 20, 2008, 12:00:58 PM »
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article4133668.ece

Amazing what you can find in a minute using google search engine, if you take a minute of your time that is.  :P

If it's true, that's very interesting! It remains to see however, how much oil can be produced this way. This alternative method of "growing" oil changes nothing concerning the continually increasing demand for oil however. We can not let the demand increase continue forever because there are limits to what this planet we're living on can sustain.
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Re: So what do you oil dependant people think about this?
« Reply #102 on: July 20, 2008, 12:59:25 PM »
aside from the article you posted there is mounting evidence that that wells that were pumped dry are refilling magically.

there are two schools of thought with this phenomena
1. conspiracy!!!! evil america has been secretly pumping petroleum purchase from the poor starving third world and is storing in mac's back yard for safe keeping

2. bacteria deep in the earth are pooping and the oil is seeping back to the same wells.

I'm not wholly convinced on the possibility but there you have it.

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Re: So what do you oil dependant people think about this?
« Reply #103 on: July 20, 2008, 01:08:51 PM »
As soon as you realize that what you were taught in school as young children (that dinosaurs died to give you gas) is a lie then you may have the ability to realize that petroleum is a renewable resource of the earth and not something that gets used and is gone forever. This man knows his math and knows he is duping people the same way the mass-media knows they are lying everyday in order to push their agendas.
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Re: So what do you oil dependant people think about this?
« Reply #104 on: July 20, 2008, 01:17:49 PM »
2. bacteria deep in the earth are pooping and the oil is seeping back to the same wells.

I'm sure bacteria will cooperate and toejam some more to cover our needs.