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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #180 on: August 09, 2008, 08:03:01 PM »

That's basically what Hitler said as he rolled east into Russia.  "I have the world's best army and airforce... bow to me."  We all know how it ended.  T34's on the Reichstag and all.  Don't ever underestimate the resolve of your enemy, and the tactical advantage of their own terrain.  It would be idiotic for someone to think a US/Russia conflict would end without incredible casualties on both sides.

 Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Hitler DIDN'T say that and Hitler took the bait of stalling Barbarossa, while mixing it up in the Balkans.   Those 6 weeks cost him quite possibly Moscow.   

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #181 on: August 09, 2008, 08:19:51 PM »
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #182 on: August 09, 2008, 08:23:09 PM »
How in the Hell could ANYBODY, with half a brain, believe the USA should get involved in this newest conflict? Are some of you insane? Reading some of the posts here makes me fear for us. It's time for me to start digging the bunker.

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« Reply #183 on: August 09, 2008, 08:46:02 PM »
Georgia has asked for US military airlift help to transfer its troops in Iraq back home to Georgia.

If Putin pushes to intercept any such troop convoy with force we would see war break out between US and Russian military forces.  The end game here
is nuclear exchange.

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #184 on: August 09, 2008, 09:04:33 PM »
Hitler DIDN'T say that and Hitler took the bait of stalling Barbarossa, while mixing it up in the Balkans.   Those 6 weeks cost him quite possibly Moscow.

That was better than getting bogged down in the morass of mud if he done so 6 weeks earlier.

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #185 on: August 09, 2008, 09:25:28 PM »
How in the Hell could ANYBODY, with half a brain, believe the USA should get involved in this newest conflict? Are some of you insane? Reading some of the posts here makes me fear for us. It's time for me to start digging the bunker.

Enh? We only help others when we're 'healthy'? Yup; this situation is most inconvenient. Shouldn't be the determining factor regarding how we respond.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #186 on: August 09, 2008, 09:30:07 PM »
Georgia has asked for US military airlift help to transfer its troops in Iraq back home to Georgia.

If Putin pushes to intercept any such troop convoy with force we would see war break out between US and Russian military forces.  The end game here
is nuclear exchange.



I don't know if we would send any MAC transports' in unescorted; However, If we DO send them, with fighter cover, and it turns' into an all-out battle for air supremacy over Georgia-Ossetia, then we might see further U.S. involvment.

As far as going Nuclear, well...I don't myself think immediately. The Russian's aren't fighting on their own soil, technically; Even if they pull back and lose Ossetia to the Georgian's, They don't lose anything they didn't already have. At the same time, we are helping an ally, BUT, not a full-fledged NATO member. If this was a full NATO country, my guess is that do to treaty obligations, we'd already have our own forces' involved. But I don't think we have any such obligations' at the current time. I'm looking to see some kind of diplomatic solution fairly shortly.

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« Reply #187 on: August 09, 2008, 09:31:18 PM »
Enh? We only help others when we're 'healthy'? Yup; this situation is most inconvenient. Shouldn't be the determining factor regarding how we respond.

It won't be the single one, Hangtime-but I bet it's one of the things' on the table being discussed in how we deal with this.

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« Reply #189 on: August 09, 2008, 11:06:50 PM »
Game over.....

Russia 'bombs Georgian airport'

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Moscow has said there can be no "consultations" with Georgia unless Georgian forces withdraw to the positions they held outside South Ossetia before Thursday.

Why do Georgian forces need to abandon territory that still technically belongs to Georgia?
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #190 on: August 09, 2008, 11:09:01 PM »
If those 70,000+ S.Osetians wanted to be Russian, shouldn't they just move north and get out of Georgia?

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« Reply #191 on: August 09, 2008, 11:22:05 PM »
If those 70,000+ S.Osetians wanted to be Russian, shouldn't they just move north and get out of Georgia?

That is one option, albeit an option that the South Ossetians probably don't feel is viable.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #192 on: August 10, 2008, 03:35:57 AM »
This thing is starting to look worse...http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080810/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_south_ossetia

What I wonder is this; how bad is this gonna get for Georgia (a U.S. ally) before we drop diplomacy and try to go to their aid militarily? Will we at all? If we do, how far is our commitment gonna go? And what will the Russian response be?

BTW, Boroda, I was wondering if you could give me an answer to that question I asked earlier about the ossetians' being culturally different from the Georgians, or what is their reason for desiring independence in the first place?

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #193 on: August 10, 2008, 03:45:59 AM »
F- Georgia and good hunting Russia.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #194 on: August 10, 2008, 11:34:39 AM »
Could get ugly if Russia presses it. One has to wonder if one or three of those nukes Russia lost when the Soviet Union collapsed might be under the control of Georgia.
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