South Osetia under attack

[Hangtime]

If your mouth is salivating from thinking about direct confrontation between Russian and American troop, there is a nice place for you where people in white overalls wipe your butt and give you electroshocks.

Nope... like most of the folks that come from a different culture; 'you missed it'.

Ronald Reagan was the guy we give credit to for finally winning the cold war and forcing what we call the collapse of the 'evil empire'. The feeling ran so deep that a most unusual honor was bestowed upon him... while he was still alive, we named America's most formidable aircraft carrier, then building, after him and his wife commissioned her. 

Mr Putin is alleged to have considered the loss of the soviet empire as the greatest mistake of the 20th century.

I was having a laugh over Putin having to deal with the irony of having Reagan, just one more time, crush a Russian attempt at Empire. Which is pretty much what we built her and her 10 sisters for to begin with.

Call it a private joke. You may return to celebrating the heroic defeat of Georgia by the Glorious Soldat of the New and Improved, Kinder, Gentler, Russian Empire.

[john9001]

the irony of it all.. and trump's corporations have filed for bankruptcy how many time. 

his corporations may have filed , but trump is still a rich man. It has to do with how you control your assets.

I only remember his casino losing money, he sold controlling interest in it to keep it open.

[Russian]

http://www.telekritika.ua/media-suspilstvo/view/2008-08-13/40007

Here's, in Russian, report of Ukranian journalist of what happened in Osetia.

[Mr No Name]

Russia now says "Forget" Georgia's territorial integrity.  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080814/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_russia

We need to smack them down hard.

[FrodeMk3]

Nope... like most of the folks that come from a different culture; 'you missed it'.

Ronald Reagan was the guy we give credit to for finally winning the cold war and forcing what we call the collapse of the 'evil empire'. The feeling ran so deep that a most unusual honor was bestowed upon him... while he was still alive, we named America's most formidable aircraft carrier, then building, after him and his wife commissioned her. 

Mr Putin is alleged to have considered the loss of the soviet empire as the greatest mistake of the 20th century.

I was having a laugh over Putin having to deal with the irony of having Reagan, just one more time, crush a Russian attempt at Empire. Which is pretty much what we built her and her 10 sisters for to begin with.

Call it a private joke. You may return to celebrating the heroic defeat of Georgia by the Glorious Soldat of the New and Improved, Kinder, Gentler, Russian Empire.

Reagan, however, would have answered this whole thing quite a bit differently-As a matter of fact, American troops would probably have been in there second or third day of combat already, Or the CVBG's would have arrived and taken up station off of Poti.

And, with this handling of the Georgian crisis, It does do one thing to Bush. It discredits him. Not just to the world, but to his own people, here at home. If he would have played the ball harder here, he would have been able to shrug off some of the critisism of how Iraq's been handled. Instead, when faced with a clear-cut provocation, involving a direct attack/invasion of an Allied nation, He just stood aside. Now, how do the rest of the nation's of the world feel? Now, how do you get support for your "war on terror"?

It looks' like given time for one more mask up before his terms' up, he'll manage it...

I just can't possibly put any more stock in cockamamie "Well, look at what a democrat woulda done..." arguments. This is potentially the worst diplomatic failure in U.S. history. This is a republican president that hung an allied nation out to dry.

I'll go so far as to say that I don't know what Obama's stance would have been. But unfortunately, we've seen the Neo-con one.

Shit, I'm gonna cast TWO votes for Ron Paul, If I legally can...

[AKIron]

Reagan, however, would have answered this whole thing quite a bit differently-As a matter of fact, American troops would probably have been in there second or third day of combat already, Or the CVBG's would have arrived and taken up station off of Poti.

And, with this handling of the Georgian crisis, It does do one thing to Bush. It discredits him. Not just to the world, but to his own people, here at home. If he would have played the ball harder here, he would have been able to shrug off some of the critisism of how Iraq's been handled. Instead, when faced with a clear-cut provocation, involving a direct attack/invasion of an Allied nation, He just stood aside. Now, how do the rest of the nation's of the world feel? Now, how do you get support for your "war on terror"?

It looks' like given time for one more mask up before his terms' up, he'll manage it...

That's a real stretch. Bush is playing this quite well imo. Sending in observers and support under the guise of humanitarian aid is exactly the right response to Russia's aggression.

[leonid]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7561586.stm

So far, everything has gone as I more or less expected from Russia. This type of story is as old as the region. A couple thousand years ago, Armenia used to be the burr in Parthia's behind, playing off Roman friendship as a means of acquiring some local power for itself. I think Saakashvili pretty much knew what he's been doing for years and probably got a little impatient with an 'appropriate' response from the West to his political play. I'm sure the fickleness of domestic politics likely influenced Saakashvili as well. The Russians were of course more than aware of what was about, then had the whole affair 'gifted' into their lap with Saakashvili's attack. They naturally seized it. The USA, recognizing equally as quickly how badly their Georgian 'ally' just blew it, had to scream loud and fast and brash to try and effect some measure of damage control to an area long recognized in Russia's deepest interests. With the unilateral actions of the USA in their invasion of Iraq, The Russians have a precedent to present especially given the proximity of these events to their borders. Basically, there's going to be a lot of ruffled red, white and blue feathers but little else, because Saakashvili just gifted Russia two of its provinces. The Georgian is now an embarrassment to the USA in political circles, no matter the rhetoric flying back and forth.

[FrodeMk3]

That's a real stretch. Bush is playing this quite well imo. Sending in observers and support under the guise of humanitarian aid is exactly the right response to Russia's aggression.

I hate to tell you this Iron, but the real response would have been getting U.S. military forces in-theatre, and letting Putin know that this wasn't gonna be a simple land grab, and that the stakes' were now much higher. The way we acted, we virtually gave him free reign to do whatever he wished.

[Mr No Name]

You do not move 2 divisions and 1200+ tanks and implement a naval blockade overnight (literally)  The pi9eces were put in place months in advance, russians were handing out russian passports in the street... all of this was staged.... plus south ossetia IS part of Georgia!  The russians were not attacked, they were invaders who were being repelled.

Putin has been picking this fight for ages.

The Georgians attacked about like The poles actually attacked the German radio station...  South Ossetia is a province of Georgia, The russians were giving away citizenship to anyone who walked up and signed and declared themselves to be russian citizens.  This territory belongs to Georgia, no ifs ands or buts...

Do some research on the New government of Georgia, the old one was corrupt but these guys are SERIOUSLY pro-western, listen to this, it is in 3 parts...  http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=C0RTGtwW_y0

Putin is ex KGB... Although he is no longer officially in charge, he and his henchmen are still pulling all of the strings.

[Russian]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XI2Chc6uQ

12 Year Old Girl Tells the Truth on Fox News about Georgia. Fox News even had to cut them off right in the middle of the account of Georgian aggression even though they had just come from a commercial break 2 minutes prior to that.

[Mr No Name]

She probably believes that the Jonas brothers are musical geniuses as well.

[AKIron]

I hate to tell you this Iron, but the real response would have been getting U.S. military forces in-theatre, and letting Putin know that this wasn't gonna be a simple land grab, and that the stakes' were now much higher. The way we acted, we virtually gave him free reign to do whatever he wished.

Make no mistake, our troops providing humanitarian aid there are a defense against Russia invading Georgia's capital. Any attack there with our people there will be considered an attack on the United States.

[Nilsen]

Make no mistake, our troops providing humanitarian aid there are a defense against Russia invading Georgia's capital. Any attack there with our people there will be considered an attack on the United States.

So the us and russia will then be at war?

[Elfie]

Take a closer look, it's 50.  Might need some glasses there.

Was showing as 30 for me, maybe you show fewer posts per page?

[AKIron]

So the us and russia will then be at war?

That is my opinion, that is why we sent "aid".