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Offline Stoney

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #780 on: August 14, 2008, 12:36:09 PM »
Quote from: AKIron on August 14, 2008, 12:28:49 PM
Make no mistake, our troops providing humanitarian aid there are a defense against Russia invading Georgia's capital. Any attack there with our people there will be considered an attack on the United States.

The US and USSR aren't going to war over this.  There will and should be some seriously hard-line diplomacy that occurs from both sides. 

I fail to see how Georgia's President "gifted" those two provinces away by his actions. 
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #781 on: August 14, 2008, 12:44:32 PM »
Quote from: Stoney on August 14, 2008, 12:36:09 PM
The US and USSR aren't going to war over this.  There will and should be some seriously hard-line diplomacy that occurs from both sides. 

I fail to see how Georgia's President "gifted" those two provinces away by his actions. 

I agree that Russia isn't likely to attempt an assault on the Georgian capitol with US troops there. The fallout from all this remains to be seen. Russia isn't the only country playing this game, there will be counter moves.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #782 on: August 14, 2008, 12:47:31 PM »
Quote from: Russian on August 14, 2008, 11:57:33 AM
http://www.telekritika.ua/media-suspilstvo/view/2008-08-13/40007

Here's, in Russian, report of Ukranian journalist of what happened in Osetia.

1) That does us no good, we can't read Russian.

2) Russian sources don't qualify because they aren't neutral.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #783 on: August 14, 2008, 12:56:39 PM »
Quote from: AKIron on August 14, 2008, 12:32:32 PM
That is my opinion, that is why we sent "aid".

do you fully grasp what that means?

a war between russia and the us?
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #784 on: August 14, 2008, 01:03:48 PM »
Quote from: Elfie on August 14, 2008, 12:47:31 PM
1) That does us no good, we can't read Russian.

2) Russian sources don't qualify because they aren't neutral.

Just because I post things, it doesn't make source "Russian" ....read more carefully....
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #785 on: August 14, 2008, 01:05:59 PM »
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #786 on: August 14, 2008, 01:08:37 PM »
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #787 on: August 14, 2008, 01:10:25 PM »
Quote from: Russian on August 14, 2008, 01:03:48 PM
Just because I post things, it doesn't make source "Russian" ....read more carefully....

My first point still stands, we can't read it anyways. You know this, so what is the point of posting it?
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #788 on: August 14, 2008, 01:11:59 PM »
Quote from: Nilsen on August 14, 2008, 01:08:37 PM
stupid deal

Why is it a stupid deal to be able to shoot down incoming missiles?
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #789 on: August 14, 2008, 01:12:55 PM »
Quote from: Russian on August 14, 2008, 12:24:13 PM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XI2Chc6uQ

12 Year Old Girl Tells the Truth on Fox News about Georgia. Fox News even had to cut them off right in the middle of the account of Georgian aggression even though they had just come from a commercial break 2 minutes prior to that.

No chance whatsoever that the folks that screen those interviewed were lied to so they could go on TV and trumpet their political views.  It happens quite frequently.  I'm still trying to find an unpartial source that describes how this initial Georgian incursion began...Right now, I don't even think that is very clear...
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #790 on: August 14, 2008, 01:16:08 PM »
Quote from: Elfie on August 14, 2008, 01:11:59 PM
Why is it a stupid deal to be able to shoot down incoming missiles?

It provokes the russians and is starting a new arms race. This has been well discussed here before.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #791 on: August 14, 2008, 01:19:50 PM »
Quote from: Nilsen on August 14, 2008, 01:16:08 PM
It provokes the russians and is starting a new arms race. This has been well discussed here before.

Not unlike the introduction of Pershing Missiles into Western Europe back in the 80's.  Highly unpopular, and yet, proved to be effective.  But, ultimately, doesn't bear upon the issue at hand.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #792 on: August 14, 2008, 01:21:51 PM »
Quote from: Nilsen on August 14, 2008, 12:56:39 PM
do you fully grasp what that means?

a war between russia and the us?

Nils, we're far more anti-bush here than you might think; everything the monkey does is suspect... and I've been wondering about bush's motives in a number of foreign confrontations as of late.. there's been murmurs amounting to 'Bush won't leave office... some 'crisis' in the closing days of his presidency will 'force' him to cancel the elections'...

...this could be it.  :noid

The coming days are worrisome, this BS little tussle in Georgia could easily be manipulated into something entirely more menacing. We wonder if putin understands just how much fire he's fooling with?

Meanwhile, we watch, comment, wait... and we remain hopeful (but not convinced) this will cool down to the usual level of animosity between east and west that we are used to. If I was a european, I'd be mighty active trying to convince the russki's "you REALLY don't wanna mess with that nutjob in the white house.."
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #793 on: August 14, 2008, 01:25:23 PM »
Quote from: Nilsen on August 14, 2008, 01:16:08 PM
It provokes the russians and is starting a new arms race. This has been well discussed here before.

Thats like saying deploying a brand new aircraft is provoking the Russians. The missiles are for defense only, the Russians are only being provoked because they want to be provoked.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #794 on: August 14, 2008, 01:30:55 PM »
Quote from: Stoney on August 14, 2008, 01:19:50 PM
Not unlike the introduction of Pershing Missiles into Western Europe back in the 80's.  Highly unpopular, and yet, proved to be effective.  But, ultimately, doesn't bear upon the issue at hand.

Same yet different. In the 80s it was a cold war going and nato buildt up against the soviet union and vice versa.

After the collapse of the soviet union, Nato has continued to grow and is getting closer to russia every year. Imagine how the US would feel if Soviet had won the cold war and most of your surrounding neighbours were getting inducted into the Soviet union by the year. Placing missile shields and whatnot closer and closer. Would you be getting desperate and feel squeezed more and more or just shrug it off with a smile?

My personal opinion after beeing a Nato advocate my entire life is that Nato should have been disbanded after the collapse of the Soviet union. I may be alone in feeling this here but i dont mind that :)

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