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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #1110 on: August 15, 2008, 07:32:32 PM »
I think that's why we haven't had even stronger action from Russia. They know that they are a token gesture - but NATO encroachment is something they will avoid at (nearly) all costs.

AKIron - not looking at this from a Russian perspective would be a very dangerous thing indeed.

Perhaps I misspoke. One should always know their enemy. What I meant was if we can nullify Russia's threat we need not compromise.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #1111 on: August 15, 2008, 07:33:02 PM »
I could agree with that except for one minor detail.....there isn't enough ABM's to counter a Russian nuclear assault. (Or counter strike) Only 10 of them are being put in Poland, Russia can easily overwhelm that system.

If we hit them now they wont mess with Poland
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #1112 on: August 15, 2008, 07:37:21 PM »
Is there an immediate need for oil in the former union right now?  Is the Putin regime playing follow the leader; just cuz Jr. did it?  And, if so, does this mean democracy is attempting to thrive in the red states of the world?  


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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #1113 on: August 15, 2008, 07:44:42 PM »
Perhaps I misspoke. One should always know their enemy. What I meant was if we can nullify Russia's threat we need not compromise.
Roger dodger we need to give em a fat lip and a black eye :aok and then ask if we can break sumthin fer um
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #1114 on: August 15, 2008, 07:45:23 PM »
Motherland....

Your advocating that the missle systems in poland could be considered offensive...or that some offensive system could go in....

As Boroda seems to have left the building again...

How do you feel about Israel bombing irans nuclear plants?
I'm too unfamiliar with this incident to comment.
This is where Israeli fighter jets (something in the back of my mind is telling me they were F16s) bombed some kind of Iranian nuclear reactor being developed or something in the 70's or 80's, and some civilians were killed, making the general Iranian public (naturally, and understandably) very angry, correct?
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #1115 on: August 15, 2008, 07:52:46 PM »
I'm too unfamiliar with this incident to comment.
This is where Israeli fighter jets (something in the back of my mind is telling me they were F16s) bombed some kind of Iranian nuclear reactor being developed or something in the 70's or 80's, and some civilians were killed, making the general Iranian public (naturally, and understandably) very angry, correct?

Well not what I was looking for...

Im referring to now....The Iranians are working on a nuclear plant....have made some very strong statments to say the least about Israel....

Do you advocate bombing the plants due to the statements made by Achmadumbajob...or would you simply leave well enough alone and take your chances?
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #1116 on: August 15, 2008, 07:53:51 PM »
Israel seems to just love bombing nuclear plants, they've also bombed ones in Iraq and more recently one in Syria.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #1117 on: August 15, 2008, 07:53:54 PM »
I'm too unfamiliar with this incident to comment.
This is where Israeli fighter jets (something in the back of my mind is telling me they were F16s) bombed some kind of Iranian nuclear reactor being developed or something in the 70's or 80's, and some civilians were killed, making the general Iranian public (naturally, and understandably) very angry, correct?

You are sorta right....and sorta wrong....heh

Yes, it was the Israeli's that bombed a nuclear facility with F-16's, but it was an Iraqi facility and it was hit on a Sunday to minimize the chances of civilians being hit. It was 1986 iirc that the Israeli's hit the Osirak (sp) reactor.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #1118 on: August 15, 2008, 08:06:01 PM »
Well not what I was looking for...

Im referring to now....The Iranians are working on a nuclear plant....have made some very strong statments to say the least about Israel....

Do you advocate bombing the plants due to the statements made by Achmadumbajob...or would you simply leave well enough alone and take your chances?

OK, I see what you're saying now...
I never liked the use of the military as the world police force, as it not only makes the US look bad in most cases, but it also kills American citizens for.... well, not the wellfare of the United States, which IMO is the role it should be used for.
Iran, you could say, is different because if they develop nuclear weapons they could kill thousands, millions, even tens of millions of Americans. Although, this is only part of the puzzle, since you also need to have a delivery system, unless Iran is going to kill US civilians in Iran. So... they need to build a missile capable of carrying a non-microsized nuclear warhead to the United States. Considering Iran does not have a space program or some other kind of cover to build systems that would be capable of striking the US, I don't see a nuclear Iran, even an Iran with nuclear weapons, as a threat to the United States as much as it would be to Israel or Europe.... which means, IMO, it's their decision to make.
You are sorta right....and sorta wrong....heh

Yes, it was the Israeli's that bombed a nuclear facility with F-16's, but it was an Iraqi facility and it was hit on a Sunday to minimize the chances of civilians being hit. It was 1986 iirc that the Israeli's hit the Osirak (sp) reactor.
I figured I was some kind of combination of right and wrong. Which is why reserved comment :aok

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #1119 on: August 15, 2008, 08:12:12 PM »
OK, I see what you're saying now...
I never liked the use of the military as the world police force, as it not only makes the US look bad in most cases, but it also kills American citizens for.... well, not the wellfare of the United States, which IMO is the role it should be used for.
Iran, you could say, is different because if they develop nuclear weapons they could kill thousands, millions, even tens of millions of Americans. Although, this is only part of the puzzle, since you also need to have a delivery system, unless Iran is going to kill US civilians in Iran. So... they need to build a missile capable of carrying a non-microsized nuclear warhead to the United States. Considering Iran does not have a space program or some other kind of cover to build systems that would be capable of striking the US, I don't see a nuclear Iran, even an Iran with nuclear weapons, as a threat to the United States as much as it would be to Israel or Europe.... which means, IMO, it's their decision to make.I figured I was some kind of combination of right and wrong. Which is why reserved comment :aok

Interesting...your 14 right?  NO...thats not anything to do with anything....your answer is well thought out...

So...If I get this right....Your ok with Israel attacking Iran.....due to the real threat it may feel....but....You think russia would be founded in thier taking measures at poland when they have no threat to pose to russia.

Just getting your take here...not arguing...I'm kind of wondering what the younger americans are thinking these days about world events.

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #1120 on: August 15, 2008, 08:22:23 PM »
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Interesting...your 14 right?
Yes. ;)

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So...If I get this right....Your ok with Israel attacking Iran.....due to the real threat it may feel....but....You think russia would be founded in thier taking measures at poland when they have no threat to pose to russia.
In actuality I believe that threatening a nuclear strike is going way to far, however I was exaggerating/fabricating thoughts and opinions in order to play the devils advocate.
However, looking at the situation from Russia's point of view, there's a possibility that the Americans aren't just putting in defensive missiles (just like there's a possibility that Iran isn't developing nuclear capabilities for peaceful reasons). I can certainly see condemning the decisions and, maybe even threatening military action. But certainly not threatening with a nuclear strike.


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Just getting your take here...not arguing...I'm kind of wondering what the younger americans are thinking these days about world events.
I'd be a poor representation of that, most I talk to seem to think more similarly to angelsandair than I.

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #1121 on: August 15, 2008, 08:28:08 PM »
They do? I find that hard to believe...BUT....I don't have alot to do with younger kids these days. Most of what I see on the streets or around when out with the wife are very undisciplined and smart a** very rude kids. Basically just daring any one to say something so they can throw thier rudenss at them. Generally I find younger kids , teens mainly to be a real pain in the *** that I don't like much.

NOT ALL....but most. :lol

Thanks for the thoughts.....interesting and appreciated.
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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #1122 on: August 15, 2008, 08:34:30 PM »
I should have said, 'if they have an opinion at all about foreign policy'. Of course, if you ask most my age about the conflict in Georgia, they will be asking why there are Russian troops in the US, and it will take a long time to explain where Georgia is.
Basically just daring any one to say something so they can throw thier rudenss at them. Generally I find younger kids , teens mainly to be a real pain in the *** that I don't like much.
You don't see a bit of this in angel's opinions on foreign policy?

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« Reply #1123 on: August 15, 2008, 08:38:47 PM »
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You don't see a bit of this in angel's opinions on foreign policy?

The rudeness? Yeah..to a certain extent. Can't deny that.  :lol at haveing to explain why Russia is in the U.S.. I can see that happening.

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Re: South Osetia under attack
« Reply #1124 on: August 15, 2008, 10:10:52 PM »
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However, looking at the situation from Russia's point of view, there's a possibility that the Americans aren't just putting in defensive missiles

The Russians should be able to monitor/verify that in the same manner that we monitored/verified the missiles being deployed in Cuba during the Cuban missile crisis....via satellite.

Even trying to see this from a Russian perspective, I find it very hard to see why they are so upset about these missiles. There is only 10 of them. On top of that, the Russians have ICBMs that supposedly can evade incoming ABMs anyways.
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