South Osetia under attack

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Don't be fooling yourself that you have the strongest military in the world. Yeah your armed services are great, but your economy is not and a military without the money to run is not very powerful at all.

You forget, when World War II began, the U.S. was suffering through what we call the "Great Depression". Our economy was in ruins. It was the war that created the economic boom afterwards. We're not really even in a recession now, at least by the measures real economists use to define a recession.

Now, I'm not sure our population now is equal in perseverance, determination, or fortitude to the "Greatest Generation". At least not as a rule, in general. It would depend on who stepped up as leaders.

[Boroda]

Boroda, if you lived at the North Pole, you could be sold a freezer.

So far it's you guys living in tropics keep buying artificial fur coats.

[MiloMorai]

So far it's you guys living in tropics keep buying artificial fur coats.

LOL, Boroda did buy the freezer.

[E25280]

Don't be fooling yourself that you have the strongest military in the world. Yeah your armed services are great, but your economy is not and a military without the money to run is not very powerful at all.

The economy of the US is not great?  LOL

Sure it is wiki -- so?

I would say less than 5% of the world's population generating more than 20% of the world's GDP is doing fairly well, thanks.  You may want to clarify that.

[bongaroo]

We may just have to nuke 'em all and let God sort 'em out.

Survey says....
NO!

[moot]

Enough with the large font.

[bongaroo]

Hey Boroda:


ITS DEFENSE WEAPONS

Not loud enough?


IT'S DEFENSE WEAPONS, IT'S MAIN PURPOSE IS TO DEFEND FROM MISSLE ATTACK


And yea, I know what you mean RedTop.

Listen dude, you've got to understand.  The balance of power in the Nuclear Weapons age is maintained because we and they (NATO and Russia respectively) understand that we can both destroy the world; we won't strike with nukes at them because they would strike at us.  It's what is called a no-win situation.  Mutually Assured Destruction.  The russians don't want this balance to be upset.  In their eyes we now can strike them and shoot down their missles they would launch in retaliation(whether or not this system can do that isn't in question, they have reason to suspect it so they are going to act on this belief).

Russia should have gotten on board as we offered them.  Co-operative developement would probably make the system more effective for detering North Korea or Iran from further developing or god forbid launching a WMD on a long range missle.  While Boroda is certainly egging you on about it; the Russians are treating the missle defense plan as a direct threat to the balance of world power.  No one likes to see the status quo change.

Look at what we want in South Osetia: a return to the status quo.  Troops where they were before Georgian troops marched into SO.

[Boroda]

Russia should have gotten on board as we offered them.  Co-operative developement would probably make the system more effective for detering North Korea or Iran from further developing or god forbid launching a WMD on a long range missle.  While Boroda is certainly egging you on about it; the Russians are treating the missle defense plan as a direct threat to the balance of world power.  No one likes to see the status quo change.

Well, it was Russia who offered co-operative development, and using our EW radar stations, including one in Azerbaijan, right across the Caspian to Iran. Like 5 times closer then Cz Rep or Poland. Amercian inspectors checked the radar site and refused (probably after making tons of pictures and setting GPS marks )...

Look at what we want in South Osetia: a return to the status quo.  Troops where they were before Georgian troops marched into SO.

Russian troops are. Georgian terrorist groups still operate deep in SO...

[bongaroo]

I need to look into it more.  I was under the impression that Russia refused to get onboard when offered.  Perhaps it was both sides refusing to compromise on the issue.

[AKIron]

Russia is making a grab for it's former glory. Everyone can see this. Justify it however you want, won't change it a whit. The  only real question is how far will the rest of the world let it go.

[Boroda]

I need to look into it more.  I was under the impression that Russia refused to get onboard when offered.  Perhaps it was both sides refusing to compromise on the issue.

Sorry, but to me it seems like the US refused. We did all possible things including letting them onto an early-warning site that is as close to Iran as possible, and they refused It was a clear sign that the ABM system is NOT against Iran.

[Boroda]

What Western press wrote about Saakashvili back in 2004:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/apr/01/georgia.oil

This is not how the Georgians see things. In an interview with a Dutch magazine, Sandra Roelofs, the Dutch wife of the new Georgian president and hence the new first lady of Georgia, explained that her husband aspires to follow in the long tradition of strong Georgian leaders "like Stalin and Beria". Saakashvili started his march on Tbilisi last November with a rally in front of the statue of Stalin in his birthplace, Gori. Unfazed, the western media continue to chatter about Saakashvili's democratic credentials, even though his seizure of power was consolidated with more than 95% of the vote in a poll in January, and even though he said last week that he did not see the point of having any opposition deputies in the national parliament.

In Sunday's vote - for which final results are mysteriously still unavailable - the government appears to have won nearly every seat. Georgia is now effectively a one-party state, and Saakashvili has even adopted his party flag as the national flag.

New world order enthusiasts have praised the nightly displays on Georgian television of people being arrested and bundled off to prison in handcuffs. The politics of envy and fear combine in an echo of 1930s Moscow, as Saakashvili's anti-corruption campaign, egged on by the west, allows the biggest gangsters in this gangster state to eliminate their rivals.

[Speed55]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lSWZI2KT4Q&feature=related  <----- for boroda from the russian archives.. 

[SkyRock]

I get the feeling, Saakashvili, is a crook and a coward.

[john9001]

I get the feeling, Saakashvili, is a crook and a coward.

i did not know he was a democrat.