the new T-34

[Nilsen]

What does that have to do with the T34 becoming a hangar queen?

[Spikes]

Doesnt it look tiny. like to me it looks like i can run over it in a panzer. it also looks weak....next thing you know people are gonna be landing kills in D3A's, killing T34's. iunno i like the old one much better.

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Yeah. You can run it over with a panzer if you can even get near the sucker.

[sethipus]

say what???

Have you ever even used the t34 in the game?

The T34 gun is useful for shooting down planes that dive in on the T34, if the pilot is good at locating the targets through the drinking-straw of a gunsight.

It's also useful for blowing up planes that are on the ground trying to take off, or have just barely taken off.

It's useful for killing troops and M3s.

It's useful for popping wirbel turrets at reasonably long ranges, and killing the wirbels with side hull shots out to 400-600 yards or so, or 800 yards though requiring on average more than one hit.

It's useful for popping panzer turrets out to a 1000 or so, and killing panzers from the side or rear out to the same 600-800 yards or so, or from the front sometimes at very close range.

It's useful for popping Sherman turrets only from the side or back, or killing Shermans from the side, at ranges shorter than 800 for common one-shot kills, or 800 or 1000 for multi-shot kills, and can't really kill a Sherman from the front except fluky shots from right in their face.

It's useful for popping Tiger turrets from the side or back at short range with high frequency.  It can one-shot kill a Tiger, not guaranteed but common enough, with a close to 90 degree side armor shot with HVAP from 50 or 100 feet away or so, or sometimes out to a couple hundred yards.  It can fairly easily kill a Tiger's engine from the rear at close range.

Basically, against most tanks, the T34 gun is useless unless you're within 800 yards, and then at 800 yards it's only useful against some of the tanks, from the side or back, but not usually from the front, except for Panzer turrets, which can be popped from the front at that range.  Against Shermans and Tigers you need to hit them from the side or from the back, and you need to be close.  With Shermans you can do it out to 600-800 yards with a good straight 90 degree side armor shot, with Tigers you gotta be closer than that.  Much closer. 

When I'm in a T34 and I'm fighting a Tiger I won't even bother shooting him any further than 400 yards out unless he's running away from me and already knows I'm there, in which case I'll try to kill his engine.  If he doesn't know I'm there I'll usually keep on driving and try to get right up to him, like 50-100 feet or closer, before I'll fire.  Yeah, T34s can kill Tigers who don't have good SA.  I've killed probably 7 or 8 Tigers so far this month in my T34, but I would guess that none of these guys were first-rate tank drivers in this game.  A first-rate tank driver would never have let me get in that close.

ps: my best mission so far this month in a T34 I was attacking a port and I'd already gone in to the port and fought tanks in previous sorties.  Two Shermans and a Tiger had killed me (I'd also killed them before individually) and were driving out to the spawn.  I met them partway back toward the Port and chose some nice low hills to hide behind and move around to get in behind them.  By the time the fight was over I'd killed both Shermans and the Tiger.  That would never have happened with first-rate tank drivers in those tanks.  I can really hardly wait for the T34/85.  It will make killing Shermans and Tigers a hell of a lot easier and more frequent.

[sethipus]

T34 is as far from hangar queen as you can come. They are all over the place and in many respects its the best tank we have here. Fast, good armor and a gun that can kill all the other tanks at a reasonable range.

I have to strongly disagree with this last statement.  Sure, it can kill Tigers if you're right up next to them and hitting them from the side or back.  From the front you're screwed, even at point-blank range.  And to a significant but slightly lesser extent, it's the same way with the Sherman.  Even the Panzer at 800-1000 yards is really killable from the front before they kill you only if you're good at hitting them in the turret, which, thank Jebus, a T34 can often or even usually pop at that range.  Not so with the Sherman and Tiger turrets.

Its the only tank with perhaps the exeption of the tiger that you can roll onto an enemy base with that has all ack up and seldom suffer any damage from the ack. The M4 and Panzer loses the turret rather quickly.

I like the T34 actually better than the Tiger for base assault, because it's turret traverses so much more quickly.  That said, once the VH pops, the T34 is definitely going to die in the next few minutes if more than one guy is upping, even if the T34 is right behind the VH popping people in the back of the head.  The Tiger, on the other hand, can outlast the T34 in that circumstance.  Still, I'll take a T34 almost every time to a base.

[stephen]

Dont be so high on the soap box.... of course the t34 can kill most anything at 400 yards whilst behind it,..... and a kid could jam a turret with a wooden wedge and a hammer given enough time. That isnt the point I was making, its about traversing the distance required to get within the range of whatever weapon youve got.
Now before the Sherman got here I would take the T-34 out every now and then and try it, with some succes, BUT admitidly as of late the ole' green goblin gets its butt kicked at long distances, and its allways climbed hills like an old man with a bum leg...
(I believe we are getting a 5th gear in this new version yes/no?)

Useless? NO,I went to far in declaring it useless, and I retract that remark...
Worth the effort of driving ten minutes just to end up back in the tower due to an underpowerd gun? NO.
Its good for rolling into fields and deacking, I agree... but the first Sherman that rolls out to defend is gonna punch through it like a wet paper sack, with almost no hope of the T-34 doing anything other than scratching its paint.
Its very disheartening to close on another vehicle that is firing on your mates from behind a hill, round the corner, fire a round at closs range, and have it ping off into obscurity..
It makes me very happy to know the fix is otw, yet sad to think the old version will sit in the hanger...



Oh yeh and the History channel comment....Dude I doubt any of us where out driving tanks in world war two, let alone driven a tank period, so you might cut me some slack on my television viewing habits,,,anyway if you have information that makes one of my statements obviously untrue POST IT, dont try to pull the rug out from under me with snide remarks.
It hurts my feelings, and now I dont even want to watch the Hitler channel anymore

Dont make it so personal, im not trying to hurt anyones feelings....all im saying is the current T-34 we have is a piece of junk, unworthy of sitting across a field from any  other tank in the game but itself, and that battle would last all day or until both tanks where tracked, and the crew's reduced to beating each other with sticks and stones, all for lack of a weapon capable of punching through frontal armor at ANY worthwhile distance.


I hope i've made myself clear to all the pundits, and given ammunition for this thread to continue on, but in all honesty ive beaten this one to death, and I really dont care anymore what anybody thinks.
Besides even if they introduced a coke can with a go-cart engine im the one who's got to drive the thing and ill decide how good or bad it is for me at killing tigers...Toodles

[lyric1]

It is to bad we can't use captured vehicles. Could you imagine a quad flack panzer withthe speed of a t34.   http://www.achtungpanzer.com/t34.htm

[Bronk]

Poopysaid
It's been covered over and over and over again. The Shermans were not as bad as "the history channel " would have you believe. Search the bbs yourself I'm not doing it for you.

[BigKev03]

The T-34/85 should be a good tank to use.  Just like the current T34 we have it has good armor and speed.  The gun on this thing will be better than the current version T34.  I am curious to see if they keep the same ammo load out on it???  If AH2 does their homework it will be a good tank vs. the panzer and probably will dominate the panzer in a fight.  It should also be a good match for the shermans if the 34 gets first shot on target before the sherman can zero in on you.  Against the Tiger I dont think it will be any better than the current vehicles and that will be dependent on who is in the T34 and his/her skills in tank vs. tank combat in this game.  Of course rear and flank shots can kill it.  If anything in this game we need to change is the armor package the sherman has.  I think in this game it is given more than it had historically.  Though the sherman has an upgunned package in the 17pdr it still had the fatal flaw of thin armor.  I dont know how many times I have hit a sherman center mass with the 88mm and nothing happens.  The 88mm version of the tiger could cut through any sherman at any range.  But this is just my opinion on the sherman.  But the new T34/85 will definitely get a tryout from me to see if I like the way it is presented in the game.  I think the T34 may put the panzer out of business for a bit.

BigKev03

[E25280]

Kev, have you ever looked up any stats on how thick the armor on the Sherman is, or are you just repeating popular myth?

[stephen]

Read the book "Death Traps"...................

Reason the Sherman shows so well here is a lack of man man-portable anti tank guns, rockets, tanks,and tank destroyers.
By early war standerds...yes an ok ride, but by the time of Normandy the Sherman was frequently getting destroyed, and by the end of the war america had switched to a heavier tank design.
Im not here to argue, ill take the word of the guy in the field, and this author wasnt saying "only the Panther and Tiger where killing Shermans"

This obsession with the History Channel is a myth buddy, just because you use it in a sentence doesnt make the Sherman any less of a "Gamey" vehicle, ill say it one more time for you, lack of the numerouse anti tank arms that where often used against it is the reason this tank does so well here.....

[TOMCAT21]

Is the new T-34 going to be perked ?

[Karnak]

Is the new T-34 going to be perked ?

As they introduced the Firefly VC unperked I'd imagine the T-34/85 will at least test intro as unperked.

EDIT:

Thinking about it, the relatively rapid addition of the T-34/85 after the Firefly VC may be due to the failure of the Firefly VC to be another high end unperked tank to spread the high usage of the Panzer IV H with another competitive tank, but not overwhelming tank.

[TOMCAT21]

correcting a mistake ?

[Karnak]

correcting a mistake ?

The tank armor code is very complex.  Makes it harder to predict how something will pan out.  They thought the T-34/76 would be more competitive than it was, and thought the Firefly VC wouldn't be as dominating as it is.

[TOMCAT21]

thanks...not a computer guy...never thought about a programming issue...always wondered why there was only 1 version of each gv where as there are multiple of some aircraft. I guess they went for best model ? only thing I don't like about T-34 is that it bounces quite a bit.