I hate stick stirrers

[batdog]

Porn stirs my stick

[BnZ]

every plane can do it.  The 190 however, was made for it 

Actually, I find the most difficult to hit stick stirring to uses more the pitch rather than the roll axis. A flat scissors type action from a 190 isn't all that hard to counter and "time" for hits.

[Ghastly]

Hee hee - the "Don't move your controls so much" seems to mitigate it to a great extent in AH as compared to other combat sims I've flown.  You should have seen what a warp-rolling 190 looked like in WB's 2.x...

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[FiLtH]

  For me the 190 rolls so fast its as if my pc doesnt recognize it quick enuff and its all spazzy.

[Chalenge]

The absolute worst example I have seen of stick stirring is a dedicated 190D9 pilot that cannot fight to save his life yet insists on chasing people down and then depending on the stick stir to escape. I have slowed down to await a good opening to shoot him only to have the first guy that comes along jump in to try and finish the situation. I went looking for the film of our last encounter but it doesnt look as if I filmed it (too bad). Starts with 10k advantage first pass then runs and regrabs to reengage while his bomber buddy loses three planes then jumps in again and then runs and then chases me when I am down to 47 bullets. I equalize our energy and then turn on him where he panics when I am on his six and starts to roll like crazy followed by a hard turn and then more rolls (repeating over and over) until I am 50 yards away with nearly all my flaps out and shoot his cockpit. A Spit 16 enters the fight and gets hit once in the tail so Im out of ammo and then the Spit augers and the 190D9 finally bleeds to death. This kind of gaming only makes things worse for you.

[dedalos]

The absolute worst example I have seen of stick stirring is a dedicated 190D9 pilot that cannot fight to save his life

No dedicated 190D9 pilot can.  That is why they are dedicated to the D9.  They just blame the plane for it and call yours easy mode 

Key Word = Dedicated

[Ack-Ack]

While stick stirring is used by a few, I do think that a lot are confusing this with snap rolls.

The other day while I was in the MW, I was bounced by a higher con.  I waited until they were within d1.0 when I stomped full left rudder and then pushed my stick forward and to the right.  This caused me to go into a snap roll and I then released my controls, recovered after a half spin and got the kill on the over shoot.  The immediately afterwards, I get a PM calling me a 'stick stirring POS' and other comments about my lack of skill and gaming the game. 


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[infowars]

Well thats cool,  but it appears that some do about 30 snap rolls while I'm unloading all my ammo.  Snap rolls in my opinion are obvious,  as stirring is also obvious.

[Ack-Ack]

Let them stick stir, it doesn't gain them any advantage to do so.  If they are trying to force an overshoot, it's a rather crappy way of doing it.  Just aim for the center and fire, you'll hit them the majority of the time.


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[Wayout]

So if you anyone sees me on their 6 please don't stir your stick....

I'm such a bad shot the only chance I have to hit anything is if they do 'stir the stick'.  By 'stirring the stick' they sometimes run into my bullets. 

         

[Squire]

I like kittens, so it all evens out.

[Kuhn]

Stir away noob squeeker. I'll still get ya.

[soupcan]

The only time i've been accused of "stick stirring" is when i fly the il-2.

The funny part is i only get accused of this when a con blows past with
a speed advantage, gets lazy on their overshoot, and i blow the high
priced speed demon to little iddy biddy pieces.

Have you ever tried to bleed off speed in a c47? It has excellent rudder
and elevator authority similar to the il-2 IMO. If you are familiar with high
speed approach landings in c47s, the moves you pull to slow down ASAP,
are very similar to the ones(which if pulled) will lead to accusations of
"stick stirrer!!!" on 200.

While i am happy to attempt to dogfight in my il-2, i will continue to use
a quick negative G + hard alternate rudder move when the situation warrants.
If you feel the "il-2 can't do that", i suggest you complain to HTC about the flight model.

[BigStank]

Would pulling past the shakes to tumble out from in front of a bandit up your tail be considered stick stirring? More than a snaproll but not an easy move if your motive is to recover fast and stay engaged (the stick stirring throttle pumping part -lol-).

But even done as a desperate move to fall out of a fight, would a real-world pilot not have done this stunt pilot move as a last resort if he thought he was about to die? Is this really a violent maneuver? You tumble skid and spin, but it happens at near stall speeds. Edit: ...or 0 speed.

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[Oldman731]

Net lag and/or sub-optimal frame rates can combine to make planes look like they are flying along straight, then "snapping" instantly into a 90 degree turn, then "snapping"  into a nosedive, etc.

Without the limitations of the internet and computers, you would perceive what their plane is doing the as logical, fluid motion and stick stirring would not be an issue.

Some years back, in AH1, it was possible to create this effect in a 190 by rapidly moving your stick around.  HTC fixed it a LONG time ago, but the legend remains, and people are still accused of "stick-stirring."  As BnZ says, what you're actually seeing is a result of your target's bad connection, not a deliberate misuse of weak coding.

- oldman (see also "Cable Pulling")