Give the people what they want

[Zazen13]

Come on Zaz ... I would have thought that you would have realized, after reading his post, that you would have had to "dumb down" your reply more than that if you really wanted to get your point across.

Or was that as "dumb downed" as you can go ? ...

Sorry, Let me try again...



No monies, no funnies!

or

No soup for you!


 NEXT!

[Ack-Ack]

Yes, HTC Listens to its users, the problem is, They don't listen to their non-paying users.

Who would you listen to?  The customer that pays for his service or the free loader?

If HTC listened to ALL of their users h2h would still be here

No, H2H would still be here if you free loaders didn't bite the hand that fed you.  It didn't go away because HTC didn't listen to their free loader player base, it went away because certain free loaders abused the free service HTC was kind enough to provide.  If the free loader community was able to police itself and stop the rampant abuse that was taking place, I'm sure we would still have the H2H arenas.  In short, the responsibility for losing H2H lies squarely with the free loaders that abused said service.

... h2h was what had the most users that have at their same skill level, When h2h went away I was just starting to be and Ace... that all changed... Maybe HTC should keep h2h and maybe if the users get good enough maybe they will Pay... I was thinking about starting to pay but noooo... bye bye h2h and HTC's money from me, in h2h I was starting to be able to fight some of the better pilots that play h2h and MA.

While the H2H arenas could be a good place to learn the game and could be a good training tool, unfortunately, as previously mentioned the service was being abused.  Paying subscribers have the benefit of the Training Arena in addition to the expert advice of the AH trainers as well as additional advice from the regular players that visit the TA to lend some assistance.

HTC stoped my favorite game, So I stopped playing it and went to BFV and BF1942. Every time I see the AH2 Commercial on the Military Channel I roll my eyes, Mainly at the part where you guys stole off of Medal Of honor where they Shoot the game name and logo

I'm sorry but I had to quote this because it's just too damn funny not to make fun of.  I'm sure HTC had MoH in mind when they were thinking of a logo for the commercial.  

... Not trying to get anyone banned/kicked/mad or anything I'm just giveing my 2 cents.

You should have kept your 2 cents, start saving those pennies so you can start to pay for a subscription.

My Question for Skuzzy is, Why did you guys take h2h away? I don't need an answer right away but I would like one.

Because the free loaders couldn't play nice and abused the service that HTC was kind enough to provide for free.  If you let someone come into your house and they started to abuse the privaledge, wouldn't you kick them out?

One day I had to uninstall AH2 for a better game, I think anyways, America's Army.

I always laugh when people compare two differently different types of game and then claim one is better than the other.  AH and AA are two different types of games, each with their own different target audience.

Since then I have all forgotten how to fly on AH2, when and if AH2 h2h comes back, I'm not ganna trust you guys anymore since you took it away last time. I hope my 2 cents was what it was worth, I need those pennies.

*snicker*



ack-ack

[pluck]

One day I had to uninstall AH2 for a better game, I think anyways, America's Army. Since then I have all forgotten how to fly on AH2, when and if AH2 h2h comes back, I'm not ganna trust you guys anymore since you took it away last time. I hope my 2 cents was what it was worth, I need those pennies.

why are you here then posting about a game you don't care about anyway?  Also, if you say you won't come back anyway, why would HT attempt to make accomodations to players that have no intention of playing the game, much less, even bother to subcribe?  I think it would be great if companies made games for us to play for free, I also wish you could purchase a house for nothing, along with all of the things I need in life...sadly, this is not reality.

[trigger2]

You sure are making a name for yourself now ... but coming directly from H2H and making a huge splash in the MA pond ... I think not. It would have been a rude awakening for you.

Hmm, when H2H closed I had no trouble jumping in.
Thought for about 3 days if it'd be worth it to subscribe, and I decided to...
The MA's aren't all that different than h2h, more numbers, need more SA, but other than that, just got a few more "uber aces" to deal with...

As an example that H2H people weren't all "noobs" and "skillless" take the 17th Air Warriors (h2h) vs the 55th Velociraptors... 55th got it handed to 'em... not a loss of a single base for the 17th...

h2h was closed down do to hacking for player numbers, and I support HT for doing it, people were finding ways to exploit what we were graciously given... "biting the hand that tries to feed you" So to speak...

I don't really have server issues, sometimes a smidge of lag, but nothing too incredably bad.

[opposum]

Again, you are making assumptions about things you have no knowledge of.  It does not have to be on the server side, no matter how much you think it should be or how many times you say it is.

PWND again

 

[Krusty]

Hush opposum, grown-ups speaking here.

[Motherland]

As an example that H2H people weren't all "noobs" and "skillless" take the 17th Air Warriors (h2h) vs the 55th Velociraptors... 55th got it handed to 'em... not a loss of a single base for the 17th...

What is that an example of Some H2H squads are better than others... surprise, surprise...

[SlapShot]

Hmm, when H2H closed I had no trouble jumping in.
Thought for about 3 days if it'd be worth it to subscribe, and I decided to...
The MA's aren't all that different than h2h, more numbers, need more SA, but other than that, just got a few more "uber aces" to deal with...

As an example that H2H people weren't all "noobs" and "skillless" take the 17th Air Warriors (h2h) vs the 55th Velociraptors... 55th got it handed to 'em... not a loss of a single base for the 17th...

h2h was closed down do to hacking for player numbers, and I support HT for doing it, people were finding ways to exploit what we were graciously given... "biting the hand that tries to feed you" So to speak...

I don't really have server issues, sometimes a smidge of lag, but nothing too incredably bad.

I never said that an H2H pilot would have trouble "jumping in" ... what I said was that if you thought you were a hot watermelon Ace in H2H and thought for 1 second that that would translate to beating the best Aces in the MA arenas ... you were in for the surprise of your life.

I played many an hour in the H2H rooms and fought many good H2H pilots, but I couldn't find one dedicated H2H player that could compare to the MA "Aces" ... especially if they were to encounter more than 4 other players at the same time.

With that, I did run across some very good pilots in there and some, in time, became excellent MA pilots ... but they, by no means, left the H2H arenas and made an immediate impression, as an "Ace", in the MA arenas.

55th Velociraptors ...  ... never heard of them. Now, had they beaten the Muppets, or the 13th TAS, or the Blue Knights, or the AKs (and the list could go on), then I would be impressed.

[trigger2]

What is that an example of Some H2H squads are better than others... surprise, surprise...

Yeah, 17th =h2h 55th=MA...

The only real problem I had when jumping into the MA was my SA seemed like crap all over again 

[Motherland]

55th=MA...

Oh, the 55th was full of nooby squeakers, I assumed they were from H2H

[Bronk]

<---- patiently waiting for someone's defender to come in and claim how misunderstood that someone is.

 

[Shuffler]

Does HTC really care what we want?  I believe they do.  I think it would be absolutely foolish of any business to ignore their customer base and disregard every reasonable request.  The secret to any successful venture is to keep your customers happy - and, after all, we are their meal-ticket. Even though AH has virtually NO competition and they could get away with just doing nothing, I believe the "guys in Texas" are trying to "improve" this game and make it better, sometimes with great results, and sometimes -- well, not so great. But, at least they are trying.  Which brings me to the point of this post.  All compliments and ankle-humping aside, maybe its time to consider that "new" and "improved" is not always neccessarily better.  Granted, the graphics and new plane models are great and I'm sure a LOT of work was put into these areas along with many other refinements but if we take the blinders off and step back and listen, in generlal the player base is not having FUN.  The tremendous response to the "Bring back the MA" and "this game is booring" posts speaks volumes. 

Of course you can't please everybody and no matter what you do someone will be unhappy, this is a fact of life.  HTC can also scratch their heads and say "we gave em great graphics and new planes and tanks and terrains and their still bichin', what the hell do they want?"  I think the answer is: "they want to have fun" and all the eye candy is useless when every night its the S.O.S. over and over and over.  Add to that lag and low frame rates and arena lock -outs and you've got an increasingly frustrated and digruntled (but still loyal) player base.

Personally I am very gratefull for all the hard work done to improve the graphics and always want new plane models but yes, the game NEEDS a fun-injection.  So, I have all this philosophy, but what about HOW to make it fun?

Well, maybe sometimes to move foward, you have to look back.  How about dusting off some of the "moldy-oldie" concepts and bringing them back into the game.  For example;  remember "relaxed realism" and "Full realism" ?  That would quell a lot of the whining and also deal with the server load issues.  Diversity is the key - give em other stuff to do - the old WWI arena was great!  The "Jet arena" was great.  Getting tired of the MA stuff, go fly jets or biplanes.  Now you got multiple arenas with plenty of stuff to do to keep everybody happy. (and, btw this would also pretty much eliminate the need for ENY)

Now, I'm talkin like this is as easy to do as flippin a switch.  I have no idea how easy or difficult it would be.  I know its been done, but is the code still available?  Do these even still exist?  If it is at all possible, IMHO bringing back these concepts or something along similar lines would give this game a tremendous boost and really make it fun again.

my 2C for what its worth...


TC

Wrong board..... this game is fun. We have 4 Main Arenas with TA, AVA, and SEA added to boot. If your not having fun maybe you need to get some quarters and run down to your nearest 7-11 (  )   

[FireDragon]

Well Iam the PEOPLE and I say ive got what I want so...




                                                                                                  Thank you HTC

[blkmgc]

I understand what TC's driving at...and there is a point in there imho.

[stodd]

Oh, the 55th was full of nooby squeakers, I assumed they were from H2H

While there were some tards in the 55th saying they were all "nooby squeaker" is 100% wrong and there were some good pilots in there.