You want change...?

[AKIron]

a vote for ron paul is a vote for obama. you know it , everybody knows it.

Real men vote for Ralph Nader.

[Yossarian]

Just how bad have you suffered under Bush, and exactly what kind of change do you want to see?
Exactly what in your life is so screwed up that you need to seek change through the politics of another country?
Seriously, you're full of s**t sitting in your home spouting off for change in our country on the internet, when you don't provide anything for yourself in your own life kid.

Aaahhh...hmm....the first two lines of your post don't make much sense at the moment, so I think I'll conveniently ignore them until your clarify it for me.

And also seriously, who are you to tell me that I'm full of it?  And as for your final phrase, why does that mean I (in your view) am/should not be allowed to voice my opinions on here, and show people how I see things?

[snip]

But no.... Can't have that.. We gotta make the "republicans" pay.. We gotta dismiss the founding fathers' work as "outdated" and take the democratic party line as gospel.   Lighten up UK-boy.

I never said that 'we' have to make the Republicans pay, what I said (or at least have been implying) is that I support Obama, and I really don't care whether I can vote or not, because I support him all the same.  And as far as my age/nationalities come into it, so what?  I've spent enough time in the USA (my entire family is American) that I am far from ignorant about this country.  Going back to your post, I never dismissed their work, and I don't think I ever will.  Please tell me what evidence you have for that statement.  And no, I don't take the Democrats' words unconditionally.

forget it yossarian.......

thats all the time I will waste on your post.

In the words of McWatt from Catch-22,

"Oh well, what the hell."

How many more standard DNC talking points can you recite?

Who cares if it may/may not be a DNC talking points?  What matters is whether it is true or not, and I'd be very interested to see any statistics showing that it is untrue.

but I think that Obama's promised changes are far better than those of McCain (who has apparently voted with Bush 95% of the time).

To support those quotes:

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_it_true_john_mccain_voted_with.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/27/mccain-voted-with-bush-10_n_103718.html


And to all those who have problems with Obama's experience (or lack thereof), I'd say that what matters is the candidate's ideas, rather than how much experience they may have.  McCain may have a lot of experience, but that doesn't mean his ideas are any good IMO.

[Toad]

It doesn't matter.

If The Obamessiah wins or McC wins WE ALL STILL LOSE.

Sooner or later you have to take a stand at the ballot box. If you don't you eventually end up with one of two choices. A life on your knees as serfs of the Federal government or blood in the streets.

I think I'll try for change at the ballot box. Whether or not you like to admit it, Perot's campaign changed the American political scene. The two parties got called during the debates; they didn't get away with their bland bullpoop platitudes with Perot in the mix.  Unfortunately, we all went somnambulant and allowed the two parties and the media to create a rigged, 'bi-partisan,' corporate-sponsored debate commission dedicated to making sure that no third party candidate would ever again enjoy such exposure to the voters. You doubt it? Just recall this rounds Republican debates. The only guy preaching true change and a return to Liberty was never allowed to talk. Despite setting records for campaign contributions, Paul got cut out of the debates.

You can bend over and take this two party shutdown of an open political process or you can stand on your hind legs and shout "I'm not gonna take it anymore" and vote for freedom instead of against the lesser of two weasels.

You choice: be a sheeple or stand for freedom.

[Donzo]

McCain may have a lot of experience, but that doesn't mean his ideas are any good IMO.

Once again, can you compare/contrast McCain's ideas and those of Obama? 




(hint:  you have to put some thought into it...reciting talking points does not cut it)

[Yossarian]

Once again, can you compare/contrast McCain's ideas and those of Obama? 




(hint:  you have to put some thought into it...reciting talking points does not cut it)

Yes, I can.  And thanks for trying to help, but I don't really need that hint.

[Donzo]

Once again, will you compare/contrast McCain's ideas and those of Obama? 

Sorry for not being more specific in my original post....it's fixed now ^^^^

[Toad]

Donzo, save your electrons.

He won't do it because he can't cutnpaste it. He'd actually have to think for himself.

I wonder if he even realizes that The Obamessiah's Veep, Biden, took credit for most of what is in tEh EeVii111 BOOSH'S Patriot Act. Check out the transcript of Meet The Press Sept 30, 2001.

 

"I introduced the terrorism bill in '94 that had a lot of these things in it,"

For those that care, it was S.390, the Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995 that Biden introduced.

Now there's Change You Can Believe In! The Obamessiah's VEEP was way ahead of tEh EeVii111 BOOSH on the Patriot Act. He says so himself.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

McC/Obamessiah - two sides of the same coin. Vote Liberty! Vote Libertarian!

[Shifty]

Aaahhh...hmm....the first two lines of your post don't make much sense at the moment, so I think I'll conveniently ignore them until your clarify it for me.

And also seriously, who are you to tell me that I'm full of it?  And as for your final phrase, why does that mean I (in your view) am/should not be allowed to voice my opinions on here, and show people how I see things?

So you won't answer the questions posed to you... How convenient.
That more than anything else says you're just full of crap. You don't pay your own way or provide for yourself, your opinion means nothing.

[Donzo]

Another thing about Biden is that he was one of the first to say that we did not initially send enough troops into Iraq.

Then he was one of the first to oppose the surge.

[SD67]

So you won't answer the questions posed to you... How convenient.
That more than anything else says you're just full of crap. You don't pay your own way or provide for yourself, your opinion means nothing.

That's OK he's a democrat in the making, so far he's passing with flying colours.

[Yossarian]

So you won't answer the questions posed to you... How convenient.
That more than anything else says you're just full of crap. You don't pay your own way or provide for yourself, your opinion means nothing.

Ok, so please tell me why my opinion is supposedly worth nothing?

And in response to your original question:

Both my parents are Reagan Republicans, who are now going to vote for Obama because of what Bush has done to the country in which they were raised.  Obama believes in the same principles Reagan did.

Now, in anticipation of your asking 'Why punish the Republicans for what Bush has done?', I think that Obama is going to uphold the Constitution, whereas I see no sign that McCain is going to do so (looking at the fact that he has voted with Bush on a vast majority of issues).

[WWhiskey]

Well I've seen multiple pictures of McCain which try to portray him in the way you just described.  And I'm hardly surprised if the media has that much influence on people, as it is essentially our only way of knowing what happens in the world.

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Yossarian

you mean like these


 
 
of course i like this one myself
 

[Donzo]

Obama believes in the same principles Reagan did.

Really, how so?

Be specific, please.

[Yossarian]

Really, how so?

Be specific, please.

Small government, individual responsibility, and adherence to the Constitution.

[DiabloTX]

MOOOOOHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAA!!!!

Stop it kid, ya killin' me!