Hello Gustav!!!!

[ChickenHawk]

Anyone know how long gasoline would still be good in storage?  I have some that is about 4 years old with the preservative in it.  Only gave it one preservative treatment and that was about 3 years ago.  It runs a lawnmower but was wondering if it could damage a generator if I used it.  Or should I dump it and buy fresh gas if it looks bad for a hurricane?  Lawnmower man said it was red colored and old gas.  To me it looks blue-green when pouring from the can.

Les

The fuel stabilizer I use says it keeps gas good for 12 months, 2 years if you double the recommended treatment.  I used some old gas in my lawnmower and it quit running.

In a survival situation, I'd make sure your fuel supply is fresh.  Just my two cents.

[SkyRock]

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The President is not all knowing, all seeing, and does not have the magic crystal ball that will tell him in advance what "He should have known".

Well, actually, he was given the info about the levees on the 28th.  and he did actually take blame:  "To the extent the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility," Bush said.  He was definitely told that the levees would probably not hold this type of storm, before it made landfall.

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What's sad is that in this country most of the time we're more worried about "who to blame" instead of let's learn from this so it doesn't happen again. From the looks of it though, plenty of people did learn and are taking more appropriate steps this time to minimize the impact IF it hits, and that's actually kinda of encouraging. The local, state, and federal governments are demonstrating that they have learned a harsh lesson, and are going to be better prepared.

I completely agree with this.  I would rather see more preparation and planning for this type of disaster than not.

[Hornet33]

Well, actually, he was given the info about the levees on the 28th.  and he did actually take blame:  "To the extent the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility," Bush said.  He was definitely told that the levees would probably not hold this type of storm, before it made landfall.


I completely agree with this.  I would rather see more preparation and planning for this type of disaster than not.

I guess my definitions of blame and responsibility are different from yours because I've always thought they were two different things.

As far as him being told before the storm hit about the levees probably not being able to withstand that storm, so was EVERY person living there. Was he supposed to personally go down there and stick his finger in the levee to keep it from failing?

That's what irritates me is the attitude that people have about that entire situation. They come across like he should have personaly been there the entire time fixing evey little problem that came up, and when those problems weren't solved immediately "It's all Bush's fault". The fact is he held allot of people accountable after that storm for their failures and a bunch of people got canned because of them. He's the President, not Superman and it's unfair to place all the blame on his head.

It makes as much sense for me to blame you for the levees failing because you knew they probably wouldn't withstand the storm and you did nothing to prevent it. Doesn't make much sense huh? You know why? It's not your job, just like it's not Bush's job. It is the Army Corp of Engineers job though, and for years they tried to do their job, but they need funds to do it, and guess who controls the money? Not Bush, but Congress. They withheld funds from the Corp of Engineers to fix the levees years ago, and spent that money on other things they thought were more important, and that's was going on long before Bush became President.

There was a failure at so many levels of the government that contributed to those levees failing. Bush took responsibility for the failing of the government as a whole, because he is the President, and that's what he was supposed to do, but you can't blame him for something that was beyond his personal control.

[RATTFINK]

Did I mention that the levies where known to Fail for over 30 years, if a Cat 2 would hit New Orleans? 

I lived there when I was a kid and it was a known Fact.  There were many Presidents, Governors, & Mayors who could have fixed this.

[Shifty]

Apparently the National Emergencies Act isn't in effect just to allow Emergencies to be declared or to allow the President to act as Skyrock's post implies but to limit executive power and force formal declarations of said emergencies and which emergency powers are to be invoked.

Don't you know better than to shine light on the truth to a Micheal Mooreron? 

[SkyRock]

Don't you know better than to shine light on the truth to a Micheal Mooreron? 

that act also ensures that the president has the power to do so as well.

[Rollins]

George Boooosh hates Black Peepoe.

 

[Elfie]

that act also ensures that the president has the power to do so as well.

Not from what I read, it is a limitation on his power, not an enabler.

[SkyRock]

Not from what I read, it is a limitation on his power, not an enabler.

re-read...or better yet, look and see why it was legislated.   I hope I posted the right one lolz

[SkyRock]

now we have this presidental power as well    "National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive



NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/NSPD 51

HOMELAND SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/HSPD-20

Subject: National Continuity Policy

Purpose

(1) This directive establishes a comprehensive national policy on the continuity of Federal Government structures and operations and a single National Continuity Coordinator responsible for coordinating the development and implementation of Federal continuity policies. This policy establishes "National Essential Functions," prescribes continuity requirements for all executive departments and agencies, and provides guidance for State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector organizations in order to ensure a comprehensive and integrated national continuity program that will enhance the credibility of our national security posture and enable a more rapid and effective response to and recovery from a national emergency.

Definitions

(2) In this directive:



2b  (b) "Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions;

I'd say a major hurricaine with 10,000 deaths might fall under section 2b.

[opposum]

WOOT! katrina part 2! lol this is going to be good......

[Elfie]

re-read...or better yet, look and see why it was legislated.   I hope I posted the right legislator  lolz

From my earlier post, it gives the basic reasons for the Act.

The perceived need for the law arose from the scope and number of laws granting special powers to the Executive in times of national emergency (or public danger). At least two Constitutional protections are subject to revocation during a state of emergency:

    * The right of habeas corpus, under Article 1, Section 9;
    * The right to a Grand Jury for members of the National Guard when in actual service, under 5th Amendment of the Bill of Rights.

In addition, many provisions of statutory law -- as many as 500 by one count (ref. 1) -- are contingent on a state of national emergency.

It was due in part to concern that a declaration of "emergency" for one purpose should not invoke every possible executive emergency power that Congress in 1976 passed the National Emergencies Act. Among other provisions, this act requires the President to declare formally a national emergency and to specify the statutory authorities to be used under such a declaration.

[SkyRock]

From my earlier post, it gives the basic reasons for the Act.

yeah, I may have posted wrong law there, sorry.  Do you think Bush should have been more pro-active about Katrina?  Or, do you think he did everything he could to help those people?

[Elfie]

Do you think Bush should have been more pro-active about Katrina?  Or, do you think he did everything he could to help those people?

At this point.....who cares? At this point all it is is finger pointing.

It's already been posted that there was severe communications breakdowns and the people that needed to know, weren't informed. Steps have apparently been taken to rectify that since both the mayor of New Orleans and the governor of Louisiana have both already declared emergencies to pave the wave for federal aid, in case it is needed. And that, is what counts in the long run, people have learned from the mistakes of the past.

[RATTFINK]

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