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Offline Denniss

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Re: So you think you know your German armor
« Reply #60 on: September 03, 2008, 09:42:26 AM »
tell me what type of tank that is

Even without looking at the site you linked the image from I assume it's one of the german Neubaufahrzeug series heavy tank prototypes.

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Re: So you think you know your German armor
« Reply #61 on: September 03, 2008, 01:54:02 PM »
Even without looking at the site you linked the image from I assume it's one of the german Neubaufahrzeug series heavy tank prototypes.
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Re: So you think you know your German armor
« Reply #62 on: September 03, 2008, 02:07:51 PM »
that 1 going 2 be a tough 1.  :O
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Re: So you think you know your German armor
« Reply #63 on: September 03, 2008, 03:04:18 PM »
The Hetzer lineage is clear with the sloping armor on all 4 sides, but the huge tube threw me.  The upper works are obviously added on so it is an ersatz infantry support vehicle.  A little digging and I find it. 

In November of 1944, it was decided to use Jadgpanzer 38(t) as a base for 150mm sIG33/2 carrier. From December of 1944 to the end of the war total of 30 carriers was produced by BMM (Praga/CKD). They were designated as 15cm Schweres Infanteriegeschuetz 33/2 (Sf) auf Jagdpanzer 38(t) Hetzer.
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Re: So you think you know your German armor
« Reply #64 on: September 03, 2008, 03:23:45 PM »
The Hetzer lineage is clear with the sloping armor on all 4 sides, but the huge tube threw me.  The upper works are obviously added on so it is an ersatz infantry support vehicle.  A little digging and I find it. 

In November of 1944, it was decided to use Jadgpanzer 38(t) as a base for 150mm sIG33/2 carrier. From December of 1944 to the end of the war total of 30 carriers was produced by BMM (Praga/CKD). They were designated as 15cm Schweres Infanteriegeschuetz 33/2 (Sf) auf Jagdpanzer 38(t) Hetzer.
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Re: So you think you know your German armor
« Reply #65 on: September 03, 2008, 03:39:14 PM »
saw very little action in WW2.
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Re: So you think you know your German armor
« Reply #66 on: September 03, 2008, 05:28:45 PM »
 
(Image removed from quote.) saw very little action in WW2.
oh oh is that the centurion or is this another varient of the panzer that only a select few know of?!
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Re: So you think you know your German armor
« Reply #67 on: September 03, 2008, 05:40:00 PM »
Panther II with Schmalturm .

glock, you're having way too much fun with this. :)
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Re: So you think you know your German armor
« Reply #68 on: September 04, 2008, 12:10:39 AM »
Panther II with Schmalturm .

glock, you're having way too much fun with this. :)
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Re: So you think you know your German armor
« Reply #69 on: September 04, 2008, 12:27:43 AM »
:O
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Re: So you think you know your German armor
« Reply #70 on: September 04, 2008, 03:28:00 AM »
An interesting Porche prototype, VK4502(P), Porche's design for the Tiger II.  The Porche designed early turret was a hint that got me looking at Porche prototypes in the first place, and the mid engine design just SCREAMS Porche too.  That was too big of a hint, especially for Tiger II fans. 

Oh, BTW the proper nomenclature for the turret is the "early" turret, not the Porche turret.  Both the Porche and Henchel turrets were actually built by Krupp but the Henchel version eliminated a number of problems that the Porche turret had, in particular a nasty shell trap under the gun mantlet and a bulge in the turret's left hand side armour where the commander's cupola was situated.

Unfortunately for Dr. Porsche his fascination with advanced engine design led to the ultimate failure of the VK 4502 (P). The 10-cylinder engines failed during trials, and there was no confidence that the design would bear fruit (given previous Porsche failures using the same drivetrain layout). Work continued into the middle of 1944, but progress to get the design working failed.  Ultimately the 50 turrets Porche produced through Krupp for the VK 4502 (P), were converted for use on the Henschel Tiger II to eliminate waste.


Oh BTW glock89, change the images name, next time.  I saved it to have a visual reference when searching, and thought you had, but it was the prototype number, go figure.
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Re: So you think you know your German armor
« Reply #71 on: September 04, 2008, 09:20:50 AM »
An interesting Porche prototype, VK4502(P), Porche's design for the Tiger II.  The Porche designed early turret was a hint that got me looking at Porche prototypes in the first place, and the mid engine design just SCREAMS Porche too.  That was too big of a hint, especially for Tiger II fans. 

Oh, BTW the proper nomenclature for the turret is the "early" turret, not the Porche turret.  Both the Porche and Henchel turrets were actually built by Krupp but the Henchel version eliminated a number of problems that the Porche turret had, in particular a nasty shell trap under the gun mantlet and a bulge in the turret's left hand side armour where the commander's cupola was situated.

Unfortunately for Dr. Porsche his fascination with advanced engine design led to the ultimate failure of the VK 4502 (P). The 10-cylinder engines failed during trials, and there was no confidence that the design would bear fruit (given previous Porsche failures using the same drivetrain layout). Work continued into the middle of 1944, but progress to get the design working failed.  Ultimately the 50 turrets Porche produced through Krupp for the VK 4502 (P), were converted for use on the Henschel Tiger II to eliminate waste.


Oh BTW glock89, change the images name, next time.  I saved it to have a visual reference when searching, and thought you had, but it was the prototype number, go figure.
Knew all that, but didn't feel compelled to share with everyone at 3:30 in the freakin' morning!! :D  j/k

Always like the look of the Porsche turret better :aok, although it made for a nasty shot trap.

(edit: Funny, I only just now read your comments about the shot trap. Great minds.. yada yada)
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Re: So you think you know your German armor
« Reply #72 on: September 04, 2008, 02:11:52 PM »
Knew all that, but didn't feel compelled to share with everyone at 3:30 in the freakin' morning!! :D  j/k

Always like the look of the Porsche turret better :aok, although it made for a nasty shot trap.

(edit: Funny, I only just now read your comments about the shot trap. Great minds.. yada yada)
dammit you people know 2 much.
  let see how you are good with today type of tanks.
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Re: So you think you know your German armor
« Reply #73 on: September 04, 2008, 02:12:41 PM »
"It's only a model."    ;)
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Re: So you think you know your German armor
« Reply #74 on: September 04, 2008, 02:29:21 PM »
South Korean K1A1 :D
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