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Offline SirLoin

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Re: So much for the US invading Iraq for oil argument
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2008, 07:48:22 PM »
Quote from: FrodeMk3 on August 31, 2008, 07:14:45 PM
And...what are those four conditions, and who set them?

The UN

#1:Repeated transgressions vs neighbouring states
#2:Violations of the Non-Proliferation Treaty
#3:Giving shelter to terrorists and wanted criminals
#4:Using WMD(weapons of mass destruction)
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Re: So much for the US invading Iraq for oil argument
« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2008, 07:54:23 PM »
Quote from: Gixer on August 31, 2008, 07:28:37 PM
Funny how quickly they shifted from WMDs to human rights and regime change as the main reason once it was obvious their were no quantities of WMDs certainly to the degree that Bush,Cheney,Powell argued for to the UN.




Regime change in Iraq was Bill Clinton's signed foreign policy..It passed the senate unanimously 98-0.

Why didn't you complain then?
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Re: So much for the US invading Iraq for oil argument
« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2008, 08:29:50 PM »
Quote from: SirLoin on August 31, 2008, 07:54:23 PM
Regime change in Iraq was Bill Clinton's signed foreign policy..It passed the senate unanimously 98-0.

Why didn't you complain then?

Because Clinton didn't invade Iraq and whack on some other false pretences for reasoning.  :rolleyes:

Try the Left/Right argument on me is pointless. I don't care whether it was Clinton or Bush.


<S>...-Gixer
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Offline FrodeMk3

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Re: So much for the US invading Iraq for oil argument
« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2008, 08:58:15 PM »
Quote from: SirLoin on August 31, 2008, 07:48:22 PM
The UN

#1:Repeated transgressions vs neighbouring states
#2:Violations of the Non-Proliferation Treaty
#3:Giving shelter to terrorists and wanted criminals
#4:Using WMD(weapons of mass destruction)

Does that mean that the United States should dissolve itself? We are guilty of all four as well.
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Re: So much for the US invading Iraq for oil argument
« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2008, 10:00:48 PM »
Quote from: FrodeMk3 on August 31, 2008, 08:58:15 PM
Does that mean that the United States should dissolve itself? We are guilty of all four as well.

yes but for good reason!
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Re: So much for the US invading Iraq for oil argument
« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2008, 10:46:35 PM »
Some time ago every barrel of oil was sold in US dollars. Saddam started selling oil in his own currency direct to whomever wanted it. Now Iran has started and so has Venezuela, both of these countries have become black listed and when ever the associated press can they will bash them.

Iraq was invaded to stop the selling of oil in currency other than the US dollar. And so shall Iran and Venezuela in due time.  :huh
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Re: So much for the US invading Iraq for oil argument
« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2008, 10:52:38 PM »
Quote from: lazs2 on August 31, 2008, 02:01:59 PM
people used to say the same thing about the japs just a few short decades ago.. They were buying America!!!

They bought everything in sight.. most of it worthless and they lost their butts on most of it.   Movies and media portrayed an America that by now would all be speaking japanese

Everything old is new again..  especially to the vacant headed.

lazs

The difference ... I will pause for the full headed one to actually read this...
Is that Japan bought property.. lots

This problem is that we are BORROWING money from China.... we OWE them money
Grasp that ...make some room by leaving the know it all attitude out...

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Re: So much for the US invading Iraq for oil argument
« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2008, 11:09:21 PM »
Quote from: Nwbie on August 31, 2008, 10:52:38 PM
The difference ... I will pause for the full headed one to actually read this...
Is that Japan bought property.. lots

This problem is that we are BORROWING money from China.... we OWE them money
Grasp that ...make some room by leaving the know it all attitude out...



Couldn't say it better :aok
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Re: So much for the US invading Iraq for oil argument
« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2008, 11:40:01 PM »
The US made a defense pact with the kingdom of Saud in the '40s. The US policy of containment toward Saddam Hussien was causing a major rift in Saudi-American relations. The US had to finish Saddam so that it could pullout of Saudi Arabia. So ultimately, yes it was about oil. Anybody here old enough to remember when the US threatened to invade Saudi Arabia because of oil restrictions?
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Re: So much for the US invading Iraq for oil argument
« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2008, 12:18:43 AM »
As long as MORE oil is reaching the world market, it doesnt matter WHO buys it, price per barrel same no matter from whom you buy it--china buys more from Iraq, means it buys less from Saudi, etc. As long as there is breathing room between supply and demand, all is well
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Re: So much for the US invading Iraq for oil argument
« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2008, 12:23:52 AM »
Quote from: Suave on August 31, 2008, 11:40:01 PM
Anybody here old enough to remember when the US threatened to invade Saudi Arabia because of oil restrictions?

i bet no one here is old enough to remember US invading Japan to make them open their market for US
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Re: So much for the US invading Iraq for oil argument
« Reply #41 on: September 01, 2008, 12:41:03 AM »
Quote from: ramzey on September 01, 2008, 12:23:52 AM
i bet no one here is old enough to remember US invading Japan to make them open their market for US

The US invaded Japan?
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Re: So much for the US invading Iraq for oil argument
« Reply #42 on: September 01, 2008, 12:46:05 AM »
Quote from: Elfie on September 01, 2008, 12:41:03 AM
The US invaded Japan?

news? or you miss history classes?
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Re: So much for the US invading Iraq for oil argument
« Reply #43 on: September 01, 2008, 01:30:44 AM »
Quote from: ramzey on September 01, 2008, 12:46:05 AM
news? or you miss history classes?

We occupied Japan after WWII, but the invasion never happened because Japan surrendered. I am not aware of an invasion of Japan by US forces.
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Re: So much for the US invading Iraq for oil argument
« Reply #44 on: September 01, 2008, 01:33:45 AM »
dig earlier, history of US conquers starts much earlier ;)
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