Abortion is one thing but this?

[DREDIOCK]

I am pro choice.
But without getting into that arguement. (Lets face it. We arent going to change each others minds on the issue)
I do want to say that if the child was born it is indeed alive. To terminate it once it has left the womb is even by my definition.
murder. and I would stand shoulder to shoulder with any of you all here.

That being said.
the only difference between Bronks Website and the one Gunthr put up.
Is Bronks admits on the front page its conservative leaning
Gunthrs site is conservative leaning also.
Its just advertises itself as combating liberal media bias

Right bias is as bad as left bias.

Speaking of Bias

According to the The Center for Media and Public Affairs
(CMPA) is a nonpartisan research and educational organization which conducts scientific studies of the news and entertainment media.
http://www.cmpa.com/index.html

MEDIA BASH BARACK (NOT A TYPO)
Study Finds Obama Faring Worse On TV News Than McCain

[Nilsen]

So your fine with this?

Im fine with regular abortions yes

[Bronk]

Im fine with regular abortions yes

Thats not what I was asking. Your fine with with letting the baby die out of the womb?

[Xasthur]

In Australia, at least, abortions are not performed by many people past 16 weeks. At this stage of the pregnancy the foetus is not viable outside the womb and, as far as I am concerned, is not to be considered as a person.

This is a huge philosophical can of worms but for me, it is quite simple. If the pregnancy is viable outside the womb then it is too late to abort. If not, it is the woman's choice.

[Bronk]

I am pro choice.
But without getting into that arguement. (Lets face it. We arent going to change each others minds on the issue)
I do want to say that if the child was born it is indeed alive. To terminate it once it has left the womb is even by my definition.
murder. and I would stand shoulder to shoulder with any of you all here.

That being said.
the only difference between Bronks Website and the one Gunthr put up.
Is Bronks admits on the front page its conservative leaning
Gunthrs site is conservative leaning also.
Its just advertises itself as combating liberal media bias

Right bias is as bad as left bias.

Speaking of Bias

According to the The Center for Media and Public Affairs
(CMPA) is a nonpartisan research and educational organization which conducts scientific studies of the news and entertainment media.
http://www.cmpa.com/index.html

MEDIA BASH BARACK (NOT A TYPO)
Study Finds Obama Faring Worse On TV News Than McCain

So your saying he didn't vote no 2x and kill it again in committee? If the right wing bias is wrong please enlighten me with info otherwise.

[Nilsen]

Thats not what I was asking. Your fine with with letting the baby die out of the womb?

If the "baby" is "killed" within the same timeframe as a normal abortion would be performed then yes why not.

[Bronk]

If the "baby" is "killed" within the same timeframe as a normal abortion would be performed then yes why not.

So the born child does not have the right to live? When does it, 2, 5, 45?

[Nilsen]

So the born child does not have the right to live? When does it, 2, 5, 45?

How old is this """child""", and what are the rules in the US for when you can abort a "child"? Sorry, but i saw the name of the site you linked to so i wont read it.

-edit- imo if the "baby" was taken out within the first trimester and then "killed" i would be fine with it.

[Bronk]

How old is this """child""", and what are the rules in the US for when you can abort a "child"? Sorry, but i saw the name of the site you linked to so i wont read it

Your choice not to read it. My niece was born premature and because of modern medicine she is alive. So your good with murdering a child. ]
Right, now I know where you stand.

[Nilsen]

Your choice not to read it. My niece was born premature and because of modern medicine she is alive. So your good with murdering a child. Right now I know where you stand.

Yup im fine with "murder" that takes place in the first trimester. Maybe later too in extreme cases.

[Bronk]

Yup im fine with "murder" that takes place in the first trimester. Maybe later too in extreme cases.

This why you should read the link. It's about LATE term abortions.

[Nilsen]

This why you should read the link. It's about LATE term abortions.

Well then as i asumed i had already answered your question when i said i was ok with abortion within the legal timeframe. If it is performed inside or outside of the womb is not of relevance to me. May I ask when it was performed?

Id also like to add that when i said that i am pro abortions later than the first trimester then it should be extreme medical reasons like danger to the mom or a serious flaw with the blob (fetus).

[Donzo]

According to the The Center for Media and Public Affairs
(CMPA) is a nonpartisan research and educational organization which conducts scientific studies of the news and entertainment media.
http://www.cmpa.com/index.html

MEDIA BASH BARACK (NOT A TYPO)
Study Finds Obama Faring Worse On TV News Than McCain

So reporting facts is a bad thing? 

Are you trying to say that things reported about Obama are not be believed because some study reports that Obama is faring worse than McCain as far as negative media?

He killed the Illinois bill twice and totally ignored it when it was brought to the committee he chaired.  What does the site you posted have to do with these facts?

[DREDIOCK]

So your saying he didn't vote no 2x and kill it again in committee? If the right wing bias is wrong please enlighten me with info otherwise.

No.
Im saying you used a right wing website to support a right wing view.
Particularly a website that on its face seems to be positioning itself to be unbias with names like "Media research Center" "NEWSBUSTERS"
Then it exposes itself as being a right bias media with the term
“Exposing & Combating Liberal Media Bias”
Not exactly an unbias source.
Right wing media bias is as bad as left wing media bias.
Why not just report without bias. Or expose the bias on both sides?
That would kinda add to their credibility more.

For that matter I could start a website doing the same thing.
Give it a cute little name like. "The Center for Media Research"
And put my own little spin on stories to suit my view. (hmmmm)
It wouldnt make me credible

Im not defending his alleged vote (Havent had the time or inclination to verify it)
But there are any number of reasons why he may not have voted in favor of that particular bill.
Or any legislator on any bill
What else was tacked onto the bill?
Often things are brought forward for a vote that include other neat little christmas tree type items that doesnt get much attention.
Course when the media or political opposition gets ahold of it and spins their own story to it...

Again I havent had time to t look into the thing so I dont know

[DREDIOCK]

So reporting facts is a bad thing? 

Are you trying to say that things reported about Obama are not be believed because some study reports that Obama is faring worse than McCain as far as negative media?

He killed the Illinois bill twice and totally ignored it when it was brought to the committee he chaired.  What does the site you posted have to do with these facts?

Im not saying that at all.
Gunthr posting a link from a website that says
"“Exposing & Combating Liberal Media Bias”

Im just pointing out that according to an actual unbias independant group. the "Liberal Media" is currently giving Obama more bad press then McCain