Hiding the Lockheed plant during WWII

[Schlowy]

Back to topic, 1 bomb would not interupt p38 production at all.
Japan didn't take Pearl Harbor, they only bombed it, USA wasn't skeerd.

[Ack-Ack]

Yes japan did take one of those tiny little snowy islands DUH. Had nuthing on it at all, right? Was it even defended? Let me guess, 'big bad japan' killed a single eskimo familly? Nobody cared that they were even there. They couldn't even do anything from there. They didn't take pearl harbor, and they didn't take alaska either, not even two of the small islands? LOL

If you think that was an invasion, I know for a fact that the Nazi's invaded a small school in Milwauki, Wisconsin. Well, atleast 2 5th graders made a flag out of a white sheet and some red paint and some black paint, and ran it up the school's flagpole in the middle of the night, GOOD MORNING! 
OMG THE NAZIS TOOK OVER THE WHOLE USA <--- what you fewls sound like, PATHETIC!

From reading your posts, it's plain to see that history isn't your strong point as well as having the inability to have an intelligent conversation. 

Here's a small history lesson for you on the Aleutian Islands Campaign.

The Aleutian Islands campaign was a struggle over the Aleutian Islands, part of Alaska, in the Pacific campaign of World War II. A small Japanese force occupied the islands of Attu and Kiska, but the remoteness of the islands and the difficulties of weather and terrain meant that it took nearly a year for a large U.S. force to eject them. The islands' strategic value is their ability to control Pacific Great Circle routes. Current air flights between Los Angles and Tokyo pass the Aleutians. This control of the Pacific transportation routes is why General Billy Mitchell stated to Congress in 1935 "I believe that in the future, whoever holds Alaska will hold the world. I think it is the most important strategic place in the world." The Japanese reasoned that control of the Aleutians would prevent a possible U.S. attack across the Northern Pacific. Similarly, the U.S. feared that the islands would be used as bases from which to launch aerial assaults against the West Coast.

The battle is known as the "Forgotten Battle," due to being overshadowed by the simultaneous Guadalcanal campaign. In the past most western military historians believed it was a diversionary or feint attack during the Battle of Midway meant to draw out the US Pacific Fleet from Pearl Harbor, and was in fact launched simultaneously under the same overall commander, Isoroku Yamamoto. However, historians Jonathan Parshall and Anthony Tully have made an argument against this interpretation, stating that the Japanese invaded the Aleutians to protect the northern flank of their empire and did not intend it as a diversion.

The Aleutian Island Campaign was also one of the bloodiest campaigns we fought against the Japanese and the first time since 1812 that an enemy force invaded and occupied US territory.


ack-ack

[Schlowy]

From reading your posts, it's plain to see that history isn't your strong point as well as having the inability to have an intelligent conversation.

summed up: USA wasn't skeerd, they were.

They failed:
I) Had Japan actually taken Pearl Harbor (Hawaii), maybe USA peeps would have been nervous, but even with their 'sneak attack,' they couldn't take it. USA wasn't skeerd.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor
2) USA carriers weren't in Pearl Harbor, even Yamamoto said  "I FEAR all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." A few hours after they started it, Japan was skeerd.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isoroku_Yamamoto%27s_sleeping_giant_quote

They got pwnt:
3) Only 12 days after Pearl Harbor: Flying Tigers, USA pilots in USA planes, P40s, are kicking Japan arse on thier side of the world. USA airpower was 'over there' before pearl harbor - Japan's attack wasn't so secret.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_tigers
4) Only 4 months after Pearl Harbor: April 42, "Doolittles Raiders" - USA did bomb mainland Japan, from a USA carrier group on a one way flight over Japan to China. Japan's skeerd reality was falling on their heads.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid
(May of 42, USA stops Japan from invading Austrailia, 'Battle of Coral Sea.")
5) Only 6 months after Pearl Harbor: June 42, "Battle of Midway,"  - Japan's 'failure of an offensive force' is sank when they tried to take a teeny tiny island, Midway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Midway
6) Only 8 months after Pearl Harbor, August 42, Guadalcanal Campaign - USA's takes a Japan occupied island, the path of 'Island hopping' to Japan's mainland is in motion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guadalcanal_Campaign

pwnt, sooo sowwy

Not a bad timeline, but the wikipidea makes me question the research that went into it.

From reading your posts, it's plain to see that history isn't your strong point as well as having the inability to have an intelligent conversation.

AckAck, a Gold Member disagrees with you! I suggest you go see rules about personal attacks! 
You must be one of ehmmcough's women!

[Schlowy]

I repeat:

SMARTY PANTS FEWLS... tell us the name of the airbase and where it was located, that kept a large percentage of Japans Airforce on Defense, for most of the war, in FEAR of their own invasion?

C'mon, yeah the squelching begin.

[Ack-Ack]

AckAck, a Gold Member disagrees with you! I suggest you go see rules about personal attacks! 
You must be one of ehmmcough's women!

Not only do you need a lesson in history but you also need to grow a thicker skin if you're offended because you cannot hold an intelligent conversation.

The time line was never in question nor part of the debate.  It's just your highly ignorant interpretation of the events that have come into question.  Though I do respect your tenacity, most when faced with evidence showing how incorrect they were would have folded by now but you keep on chugging on down the road of ignorance.


ack-ack

[Schlowy]

You shame yourself and these boards. 

[MiloMorai]

Battle of Guadalcanal, was fought between August 7, 1942, and February 9, 1943.

6) Only 8 months after Pearl Harbor, August 42, Guadalcanal Campaign - USA's takes a Japan occupied island, the path of 'Island hopping' to Japan's mainland is in motion.

That is 14 months, not 8 months, to take the island of Guadalcanal.

Not only is he history challenged but also math challenged.

[Schlowy]

Ok, I would insert "started to take"... point is, the Japan is clearly on the defense and losing, on their side of the world. And if it wasn't for the European theatre... Japan had been done within... within a week! 
Grats on finally catching that Milo! Shame on those of you who didn't!

Heres some math for you:
One Schlowy with 46 posts is clearly clowning the a large number of anti-USA propogandists with the ranks of gold and platinum!

Let me enrage a few of you!
USA! wasn't skeerd yesterday
USA! aint skeerd now
USA! won't be skeerd tomorrow
USA! USA! USA!

  <---Milo and AckAck

Me thinks you two also hate germany so I say to you...















haha, no i'm not getting banned, close one, almost had me...

[Chalenge]

One Schlowy with 46 posts is clearly clowning the a large number of anti-USA propogandists with the ranks of gold and platinum!

Well you got the clown bit right.

[MiloMorai]

Me thinks you two also hate germany so I say to you...

Nope.
Now for those that extol the greatness of NAZI Germany, like Barbi and Gene the dancing machine, one has to question their political affiliation.

It is clear you are not going to advance past zinc.

[68Ripper]

Lockheed was building B-17's at the Burbank plant, if memory serves correct. They even built a prototype with four Allison engines. It was fast, and had range. An electrical fire destroyed it, again, if memory serves correct.

Yes Lockheed and Douglas were both helping Boeing produce it's B-17's. Lockheed and Douglas combined produced just over 5,000 while Boeing produced approx 7,500. The Boeing plant in Seattle was also camouflaged, I wish picture hangar was still up I'd post a picture of it.

[Angus]

Schlowy, I am not sure you realize that since Japan was way out of being bombed by the USA, a Japanese control of all pacific islands as well as a Navy big enough to face the US navy (an issue first cleared after Midway, - roughly), - would have been a very bad thing for the USA, and it did get close to that.
The Japs didn't plan a conquest on the US mainland, - they wanted to neutralize the US (And the British, which were in a tough spot at the time), so by the time of recovery there would only be the negotiation table.
The US worries were IMHO correct. Camouflage vulnerable and vital installations possibly within enemy's range.
And the US still does...and way more I've seen them fence off blocks with barbed wire on possible terrorist attacks on "yellow", in Iceland, - before 9/11 

[Schlowy]

Yes, sure man, but its not like the japanese actually took Hawaii... why go half way?
Had they actually taken the place, that would have been a big time jumping off spot to the mainland, they may have even been able to capture some of those battleships or restore them. What if they had taken hawaii and taken our aircraft carriers intact? Maybe a reason to pack the car if they took hawaii.

Even still, Japan was all tied up in China, moving way to slow? Kicking their defenseless buts but still, there was alot of chinese then too, and lots of ground to take. Japans force was small again? Japan army mostly rifflemen walking? USA would have been able to put up a better defense than China for sure, westcoast just drive east if worst. Industrial capital of the world probly, only we were making cars?

There has been much speculation on whether or not USA gov knew pearl harbor was coming or not.
Had the Japans intended to actually take the island, and brought troops to do so, maybe more than only the USA carriers would have been out about and awake that Sunday morning?

First questioned probly asked:
Did the Japs take the islands? No
Did they sink all or stuff? No, their carriers didn't get our carriers.
Hence USA still had its carriers to bomb their carriers and stuff too.

[Chalenge]

... and stuff. I remember my first color pop-out book on German Military hardware of WWII.   

[Rollins]

I shame myself as I refuse to be deterred by insignificant things like facts and history 

There ya go Trolly, now get back out there and keep truckin'.  Dozens are depending on your posts for a good laugh. It's like watching the George of the Jungle cartoon opening sequence on a loop.