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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #135 on: September 09, 2008, 04:47:53 PM »
What I am saying is that Orthodox Christianity doesn't judge anyone on whether they are going to heaven or not.  If you belong, great (but still not home-free), otherwise it's up to God and God alone.  Only God can judge.  That is the stance of Orthodox Christianity.
way to dodge.  do orthodox christians believe the bible to be the holy word?

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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #136 on: September 09, 2008, 04:53:09 PM »
way to dodge.  do orthodox christians believe the bible to be the holy word?

I dodged nothing.  I gave the official stance.  Yes, Orthodox Christians believe the Bible to be the Holy Word in light and in conjuction with Holy Tradition.  That's why Sola Scriptura doesn't always work.
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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #137 on: September 09, 2008, 05:01:28 PM »
all Christian religions say you will burn in hell forever if you don't belong to them... 

If the christian religion is a believer in the bible is the word of god, then yes, they believe you will burn forever if you're not saved by jesus, which makes you a christian.  *see the bible for details.

here's a couple:
Matthew 12:32
Mark 3:28-29

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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #138 on: September 09, 2008, 05:05:15 PM »
If the christian religion is a believer in the bible is the word of god, then yes, they believe you will burn forever if you're not saved by jesus, which makes you a christian.  *see the bible for details.

here's a couple:
Matthew 12:32
Mark 3:28-29

You completely ignored my post.  You are relying on the phallacy of Sola Scriptura and ignoring Holy Tradition.  I provided a link that refuted your assertion that all Christian denominations say you will burn, blah blah.  No links from you to the contrary.

I hereby declare you...

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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #139 on: September 09, 2008, 05:10:40 PM »
You completely ignored my post.  You are relying on the phallacy of Sola Scriptura and ignoring Holy Tradition.  I provided a link that refuted your assertion that all Christian denominations say you will burn, blah blah.  No links from you to the contrary.


Jaged, I think your link is bunk.  the only link on this topic that counts is the bible.  why do you continue to try and bring it into an "internet link" type of argument. 

If you really want to "pwn" me, then name a christian religion who does not believe a person will go to hell if he does not get saved by christ.  I am in no way an expert on religous branches, but I was a christian at one time.  I have never heard of a christian religion that didn't believe a person would go to hell if they did not believe jesus was the son of God.  Prove me wrong, please.

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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #140 on: September 09, 2008, 05:13:05 PM »
I really don't think you pawned Skyrock there JAGED, what he was saying is that the majority of Christian faiths say that if you don't believe in God, or Jesus that your not getting into heaven, which I sure is what the majority believe.
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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #141 on: September 09, 2008, 05:14:30 PM »
I really don't think you pawned Skyrock there JAGED, what he was saying is that the majority of Christian faiths say that if you don't believe in God, or Jesus that your not getting into heaven, which I sure is what the majority believe.
and I posted biblical quotes from Jesus that said if you deny God you burn.  What else does he want?

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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #142 on: September 09, 2008, 05:17:35 PM »
Jaged, I think your link is bunk.  the only link on this topic that counts is the bible.  why do you continue to try and bring it into an "internet link" type of argument. 

If you really want to "pwn" me, then name a christian religion who does not believe a person will go to hell if he does not get saved by christ.  I am in no way an expert on religous branches, but I was a christian at one time.  I have never heard of a christian religion that didn't believe a person would go to hell if they did not believe jesus was the son of God.  Prove me wrong, please.

I will do so.  In the mean time your OP simply referred to "Christianity, is it..." so I don't know why now you state that the only "topic that counts is the bible."  In case your are not familiar with Holy Tradition:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Tradition

"The term refers to belief that these churches hold, that the "deposit of faith" (Latin: depositum fidei) was communicated by Jesus Christ to his first followers, and has been passed down (Latin tradere, to hand over or hand down) through succeeding generations of those followers (apostolic succession), represented by the church. The church as a community, therefore, was the initial receiver, and has remained the guardian and codifier, of Sacred Tradition.

The term "deposit of faith" refers to the entirety of Jesus Christ's divine revelation, and is passed forward to successive generations in two different forms, Sacred Scripture (the Bible) and Sacred Tradition (apostolic succession).

In the theology of these churches, Sacred Scripture, is the written part of this larger tradition, recording (albeit sometimes through the work of individual authors) the community's experience of God or more specifically of Jesus Christ. Hence the Bible must be interpreted within the context of Sacred Tradition and within the community of the church."


So, for the Orthodox Church, Sola Scriptura doesn't cut it.

I will get you your link and when I do, I hope you will agree that you have been "pwned" but I doubt it.
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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #143 on: September 09, 2008, 05:18:44 PM »
Jaged, I think your link is bunk.  the only link on this topic that counts is the bible.  why do you continue to try and bring it into an "internet link" type of argument. 

If you really want to "pwn" me, then name a christian religion who does not believe a person will go to hell if he does not get saved by christ.  I am in no way an expert on religous branches, but I was a christian at one time.  I have never heard of a christian religion that didn't believe a person would go to hell if they did not believe jesus was the son of God.  Prove me wrong, please.
Jehovah's Witnesses.

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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #144 on: September 09, 2008, 05:19:53 PM »
Jehovah's Witnesses.

You said one.  That is one I know of.
thanks.

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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #145 on: September 09, 2008, 05:20:45 PM »
I really don't think you pawned Skyrock there JAGED, what he was saying is that the majority of Christian faiths say that if you don't believe in God, or Jesus that your not getting into heaven, which I sure is what the majority believe.

He said, "name one that doesn't."  I did, but he didn't like the link so I'll find another one.  No links offered from him though and he keeps quoting scripture when I keep saying Sola Scriptura is not the Orthodox way...
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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #146 on: September 09, 2008, 05:21:04 PM »
I will do so.  In the mean time your OP simply referred to "Christianity, is it..." so I don't know why now you state that the only "topic that counts is the bible."  In case your are not familiar with Holy Tradition:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Tradition

"The term refers to belief that these churches hold, that the "deposit of faith" (Latin: depositum fidei) was communicated by Jesus Christ to his first followers, and has been passed down (Latin tradere, to hand over or hand down) through succeeding generations of those followers (apostolic succession), represented by the church. The church as a community, therefore, was the initial receiver, and has remained the guardian and codifier, of Sacred Tradition.

The term "deposit of faith" refers to the entirety of Jesus Christ's divine revelation, and is passed forward to successive generations in two different forms, Sacred Scripture (the Bible) and Sacred Tradition (apostolic succession).

In the theology of these churches, Sacred Scripture, is the written part of this larger tradition, recording (albeit sometimes through the work of individual authors) the community's experience of God or more specifically of Jesus Christ. Hence the Bible must be interpreted within the context of Sacred Tradition and within the community of the church."


So, for the Orthodox Church, Sola Scriptura doesn't cut it.

I will get you your link and when I do, I hope you will agree that you have been "pwned" but I doubt it.

ess had no problem naming one, you on the other hand want to talk about tradition.  Do christians believe that one will not go to hell if they dont believe jesus is the son of God?  there, that should be easy.

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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #147 on: September 09, 2008, 05:22:16 PM »
He said, "name one that doesn't."  I did, but he didn't like the link so I'll find another one.  No links offered from him though and he keeps quoting scripture when I keep saying Sola Scriptura is not the Orthodox way...
OK, let me be clear here, do you think orthodox christians believe people that refute jesus will burn in hell?

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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #148 on: September 09, 2008, 05:24:57 PM »
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I dodged nothing.  I gave the official stance.  Yes, Orthodox Christians believe the Bible to be the Holy Word in light and in conjuction with Holy Tradition.  That's why Sola Scriptura doesn't always work. "JAGED"
If your talking about a historic view, I would disagree with you. Scriptural revelation of Christian doctrine is only found within the books of the Bible, and any practice or tradition consistent with faithful doctrine follow from examples out of scripture. So it is solely scripture for a correct theology and practice.
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and I posted biblical quotes from Jesus that said if you deny God you burn.  What else does he want?'Skyrock"
Well said and correct, right out of scripture.
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Re: Christianity, is it
« Reply #149 on: September 09, 2008, 05:27:04 PM »
Jehovah's Witnesses.

You said one.  That is one I know of.
Not to sure about that one, my sister and her family have been practicing Jehovah Witnesses for over 10 years now and I've gone with her several times to the Kingdom Hall and I don't remember her ever saying that you still goto heaven even if you don't believe in God or Jesus. 
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