Pakistan to fire on any US forces

[Baitman]

Sorry buddy.

We must, as Americans in our official capacity as Planetary Oppressors; at times, usurp indigenous authority to conduct vermin control that we, as private citizens; regret in a distant, fleeting abstract sort of way.

Kinda like squishing a pretty bug.

I like how you put that  agreed

Right, because the Mexican Police must pursue those dangerous terrorists who are plotting to blow up every donkey show between TJ and Rosario...  

But if they were would it make it all right, and you let them (fat chance in Hell I would guess)

They have a tough problem, and if we push too hard we could potentially cause their govt to fall and be replaced by a radical islamist regime.  That would undermine everything we've done in the region.

Exactly and they have NUKES.

[Patches1]

I think one of our biggest mistakes in Vietnam was allowing the Viet Cong and NVA regulars sanctuary in Cambodia and Laos, we should have followed them across the border and kicked the crap out of them in their bases.

I believe we should do the same thing in Pakistan, allowing Al-Qaeada to regroup, rest etc in Pakistan is pretty foolish.

Amen!

It's really sad, in my opinion, that so many folks at home are still influenced by the press's need to garner attention via wild headlines and less by actual fact. The press wishes to make a parallel between the Viet Nam War and the war in Iraq, but fails in it's efforts because the press was a major cause of failure in Viet Nam. The American Press became a puppet of the opposition in the Viet Nam War, and it is in line to become, if it hasn't already, the same puppet press in the Iraq War.

[Stalwart]

Pakistan's secular government is failing.  From what do they derive their sovereignty?  From it's origin, Pakistan has been a population of radical Muslims.  If their government allows Al Qaeda and the Taliban to operate within their borders then certainly, their sovereignty is in question.

Let them send their Islamic Fascists to the border to fire on our troops, so we can kill them along with the Taliban and Al Qaeda we're there to get.  Our war is against Islamic Fascists anywhere, regardless of borders.  I like the first Bush doctrine.  You're either for us or against us.  There's no neutrality in hourboring terrorists.

Furthermore, the secular governments in Europe and the UK should wake up.  They're losing western civilization to the invaders.  We're overdue for a crusade.  Western culture has become so "enlightened" that we're on the road to giving it all away to Islamic Fascist barbarians.  Now is not a time to be squeamish.  It's time for western man to get savage someplace besides football games. 

Kill the bastards, and give Pakistan back to the Indians.  They'll help us flush out that diaper headed killer.

[Vulcan]

I think one of our biggest mistakes in Vietnam was allowing the Viet Cong and NVA regulars sanctuary in Cambodia and Laos, we should have followed them across the border and kicked the crap out of them in their bases.

I believe we should do the same thing in Pakistan, allowing Al-Qaeada to regroup, rest etc in Pakistan is pretty foolish.

You did, you also dropped bombs on cambodia and caused many civilian casualties. These actions helped the Khmer Rouge gain support in eastern parts of Cambodia.

Its a fine line between chasing terrorists into someone elses sovereign land and becoming a terrorist yourself. Start doing this and you'll see even less support from pakistan and create sympathy for those terrorists you're trying to destroy.

And don't have a big cry if some foreign goverment sanctions similar acts on US terroritory because it doesn't like the US training some 'freedom fighters'. If you can't respect other peoples borders don't expect them to respect yours.

[Nilsen]

Didn't all of you condem Russia going into Georgia??????????

How can crossing another contries borders be OK????????

Remember that Pakistan is a nuclear county


There is no other treaty like we have in North America that allows soldiers to cross borders in case of national security.

Everything is OK if its done by Americans. Get with the program Baitman.

[Stalwart]

That's why our military must always have the ability, and our political leaders the will, to destroy the other guy's will to fight.  So they won't even try, and when they do (as Al Qeada indeed did ) we shred them with great prejudice.

Had the US not been asleep while the war raged these last thirty years, we might not have given those guys the idea they could get away with what they've done.  Now we're climbing through the mountains of Afghanistan and apparently Pakistan too, to reestablish an appropriate respect.

[Baitman]

That's why our military must always have the ability, and our political leaders the will, to destroy the other guy's will to fight.  So they won't even try, and when they do (as Al Qeada indeed did ) we shred them with great prejudice.

Had the US not been asleep while the war raged these last thirty years, we might not have given those guys the idea they could get away with what they've done.  Now we're climbing through the mountains of Afghanistan and apparently Pakistan too, to reestablish an appropriate respect.

Respect or Fear? Sound like something the mafia would say

[Stalwart]

Didn't all of you condem Russia going into Georgia??????????

How can crossing another contries borders be OK????????

Remember that Pakistan is a nuclear county


There is no other treaty like we have in North America that allows soldiers to cross borders in case of national security.

We observe the sovereignty of Georgia, and so did the Russians for a time.  Russia is not on a crusade against people who attacked them, they're on a land grab, and more importantly an energy resource grab.

Borders are crossed all the time.  How were borders established in the first place?  How often have borders changed throughout history?  When did we develop an expectation that they would stop changing?

IMO,  It's more than OK, it's well and good to invade a country that can't do anything about the Taliban or Al Qaeda operating in their land.

Consider this:  Would it be OK for you to invade your neighbor's home, if your neighbor had a sniper in a bedroom window firing at your house, but your neighbor wouldn't do anything to flush him out.  While you consider this, take the police out of the equation.  While your neighborhood most likely has an effective police force, the world does not.

We have nukes too. More and bigger ones that we can deliver through a variety of convenient methods.  They don't want to go there.  They might intimidate India, but they don't intimidate the US.

[Stalwart]

Respect or Fear? Sound like something the mafia would say

True, it does.  Perhaps western civilization should take a lesson [from] the Sicilians on how to deal with the current threat to it's existence.

Did you know that "destroying the enemy's will to fight" is the mission of an army.  This is US Army doctrine. Don't take my word.  Check it out.

[Rino]

     I guess we should just sit back and let the muslims do whatever they want..so as not to offend Canada or
Norway.  I'm sure they will stop hating America and blaming the US for all their problems if we do.

     Maybe if Pakistan could control their own territory, that would be possible.  Since the tribes control the border
lands next to Afghanistan and can apparently kick the Pak Army's butt at will...that is going to be problematical.

     I personally feel that Pakistan is headed into radical islam no matter what we do.  Who knows, maybe the talking
shop nations of NATO will be able to use their uncanny ability to negotiate and come up with the miracle solution to
unfriendly allies.  They seem to have alot of experience with that sort of thing.

[Hangtime]

Respect or Fear? Sound like something the mafia would say

The mafia thing is an unfortunate hollywood trivialization of just how much it sucks to be the guys we want dead.

[Stalwart]

Respect or Fear? Sound like something the mafia would say

Oh, by the way, I think you would find the origin of the word "mafia" very interesting and pertinent to this conversation.  Check it out.  It will at least be interesting reading.

[Nilsen]

If the muslims (by that i gather you mean terrorists) operates within the borders of another sovreing country its thier problem and their _responsobility_. Unless that country asks for help you have no business going there.

[Stalwart]

If the muslims (by that i gather you mean terrorists) operates within the borders of another sovreing country its thier problem and their _responsobility_. Unless that country asks for help you have no business going there.

Only until they (terrorists) reach out and touch you!~   No, even before then.  At this point, I think preemptive war is an appropriate policy.  If you see the sniper setting up shop in your neighbor's house, and his stated intent is to kill you and your family, well then, it's your business going in there.

Nilsen, Imagine you're looking at your dead wife, child, mother in your own house, and still the rifle shots are coming from your neighbor's window.  But you're going to do nothing, because you're neighbor is disinclined to invite you over to help rid the assailant?  That's absurd.  I don't think you mean it.

The Taliban controlled significant areas of Afghanistan, but they didn't invite our help getting rid of Al Qaeda.  Can I assume you also opposed the US invasion of Afghanistan?

"If the muslims (by that i gather you mean terrorists)"  I don't think you were speaking directly to me, but to be clear, the enemy is Radical Islam, or Muslim Fascists.  I respect everyone's freedom to worship as they please, but I don't respect a religious justification for the stated intent to kill me, my family, my culture, and my country.

[Hangtime]

If the muslims (by that i gather you mean terrorists) operates within the borders of another sovreing country its thier problem and their _responsobility_. Unless that country asks for help you have no business going there.

Nils, if a band or group of AQ launched attacks on NATO troops from and returned to an ungoverned portion of Norway for 7 years without hindrance from your government we'd no doubt have something to talk about.