Can we PLEASE get rid of bar dar below 500ft?

[Tac]

Cmon, its idiotic to show a bar dar at less than 500ft, with 1 field per sector (mostly), it doesnt take a retard a minute to figure that a big bar dar flying behind their front fields is NOE planes.

There is no way to make a low level buff raid because you instantly get la7's and 109s tearing up the low level planes to pieces.

Get rid of bar dar below 500ft, make DOT dar show planes if they inside 2 miles from the field. Planes still have to get at least 7k above field to avoid getting butchered by the sniperack anyway, so WHY is there bar dar for below 500ft NOE planes????

[LePaul]

Agreed.  Soon as Ripsnort finds this post, I'm pretty sure you can add his voice to this hehe....

Let's also fix the amazing B17/ackstar's punch.  My G10's are getting 1-ping engine dead hits from as far as 2.6k away. <drums fingers>.

[Revvin]

Bar dar under 500ft takes away another possible mission type from the arena. We have one of the finest NOE planes in the arena in the shape of the Mosquito and it can perform one of its greatest roles.

[Seeker]

Not in the MA.

We have a CT for that type of stuff.

[whels]

Originally posted by Tac:
Cmon, its idiotic to show a bar dar at less than 500ft, with 1 field per sector (mostly), it doesnt take a retard a minute to figure that a big bar dar flying behind their front fields is NOE planes.

There is no way to make a low level buff raid because you instantly get la7's and 109s tearing up the low level planes to pieces.

Get rid of bar dar below 500ft, make DOT dar show planes if they inside 2 miles from the field. Planes still have to get at least 7k above field to avoid getting butchered by the sniperack anyway, so WHY is there bar dar for below 500ft NOE planes????

until HT has a way to alert u of enemy GV attack, we will have sector dar bars under 500 feet.

whels

[snafu]

Hi All,
 Perhaps it would work if Bar Dar was eliminated below 500ft (GV's included) until the 1st structure is hit, that way a sneak attack would still be feasable but would give the defending side a chance to protect the field.

TTFN
snafu

[Tac]

add a 3rd color bar dar for gv's then. they shouldnt be detected unless they 2 miles from the base as well.

[SirLoin]

How about having observation posts set up at various points on the map that you could jump into from the tower?They could of course be taken out with a bomb or tank...You could pop in and look about for sneak attacks with your binoculars.This might work well if under 500ft dar was removed and give you something to consider before you mindlessly click into another plane in the hanger.  

[RAS]

Nice idea TAC....it does add another dimension when flying in the CT.  I, too, would like to see it in the MA.  But Whels brought up a good point (one I don't think of often as I don't do alot of GV assaults) and that is the missing dar bar for GV's.  I suspect the crew at HTC could come up with some idea to help with that issue though.

RASCAL

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by whels:


until HT has a way to alert u of enemy GV attack, we will have sector dar bars under 500 feet.

whels

Whels is probably right on this one...

[Sundog]

How about get rid of Dar Bar below 3000 ft (just for arguments sake) then add a 'circle' around or an 'X' on an airfield under attack? That, as posted above, would be triggered once a base structure was destroyed. It would then be up to the 'team' to show up at the airfield and determine the type of attack and how to respond to it.

[ 01-02-2002: Message edited by: Sundog ]

[J_A_B]

So....you want no DAR BAR under 500 feet so you can fly your planes past enemy lines to some undefended airfield and try to vulch/pork it?

Thank you, but no.  Milkrunning is already rampant in AH.  Field capture is already far too easy.  The absolute last thing AH needs is a setting which makes it impossible to defend your country without CAPPING every airfield at the same time.

Yes, defenders could take off once you were in a "2 mile dot dar range".   Of course by the time they saw the dots and got to the field they'd be taking off only to be vulched, which is presumably the intent of the suggestion.  Removal of bar dar at 500 feet shows they DON'T want any real interception.

As for the acks?   Everyone knows as well as I do that a few planes can easily de-ack anything up to a large field.  Small fields and vehicle bases would be utterly helpless--again, which is probably the intent here.

I thought this game was supposed to be about air combat, not about avoiding people to kill AI (field acks).  Something that allows people to AVOID air combat has no place in the MA.  The DAR as it is has nothing to do with reality; it's there for one thing and one thing only--to provide as much information to the pilot as possible while providing defenrders with a slight advantage (dot dar range).

The sad thing is I see a lot of "experts" asking for this sort of setting.  Why?  Why the heck do you play AH if you don't want to fight other airplanes?  IL2 does a better job of simulating ground attack and doesn't require pay-for-play.  Seriously, what is the attraction of flying to some undefended base and vulching people?

J_A_B

[Ripsnort]

JAB, you must have missed a couple threads on this subject:

Basically how it would work is like this:

A Dot Dar radar would be effective at 25 miles, ie, no matter WHAT alt you are at, you'd show up on the dot dar.  The bar dar just allows you to go from point A to point B by taking an indirect route around neighboring fields, as to not give yourself away...as soon as you start to stray near a field to attack it, you are detected 25 miles out from Dot Dar.  Not only is the offensive low, but very vulnerable.  And the defender has plenty of time to get up and defend their field as well.

[ 01-02-2002: Message edited by: Ripsnort ]

[Eagler]

as already stated, try CA for a better dar setup ..

[popeye]

"A Dot Dar radar would be effective at 25 miles, ie, no matter WHAT alt you are at, you'd show up on the dot dar."

Unless, of course, the field radar had been killed by a lone Arado flying ahead of the NOE strike.  But who would be so devious?