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Offline clerick

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Re: Automobile magazine says of the new Camaro...
« Reply #75 on: October 16, 2008, 03:55:04 PM »
The Mazda Speed 3 is apparently ruined by torque steer and isn't a match on the Focus ST for poise and handling (I've not driven either so that's based on reviews I've read). In standard spec though, other than cheapish looking trim, I would agree that the Mazda 3 is a great little car.

It is a bit torquey but significantly better then most of the FWD performance cars I've driven recently, notably the Impala SS with the V8 and the Neon SRT4. Now if the Focus had AWD like the Cosworth Escort.... mmmmmmmm

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Re: Automobile magazine says of the new Camaro...
« Reply #76 on: October 16, 2008, 04:40:36 PM »
Bah, Camaro will be weaksauce. 

3860 lbs and 420 BHP for the SS?   That's terrible.

The '03/'04 Cobra is still faster stock for stock. :lol 

Here are the official specs.

http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro/pdf/2010+Camaro+Specifications.pdf
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Re: Automobile magazine says of the new Camaro...
« Reply #77 on: October 16, 2008, 05:37:32 PM »
My parents had an XR4TI mercur when I was a kid, I loved it, had a 4 banger and turbo, with a 5 speed.   Was a pretty nice car.


Perfectly relibable as well, I think it was an 86?  My parents had traded in the 84 supercoupe tbird in for it. The Tbird had turbo issues from day one and spent half the first year of ownership in the dealer.

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Re: Automobile magazine says of the new Camaro...
« Reply #78 on: October 16, 2008, 05:43:09 PM »
My parents had an XR4TI mercur when I was a kid, I loved it, had a 4 banger and turbo, with a 5 speed.   Was a pretty nice car.


Perfectly relibable as well, I think it was an 86?  My parents had traded in the 84 supercoupe tbird in for it. The Tbird had turbo issues from day one and spent half the first year of ownership in the dealer.
That would be a turbocoupe. The supercoupe was supercharged and a V6.
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Re: Automobile magazine says of the new Camaro...
« Reply #79 on: October 16, 2008, 06:38:53 PM »
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Re: Automobile magazine says of the new Camaro...
« Reply #80 on: October 16, 2008, 09:58:13 PM »

The Mazda Speed 3 is apparently ruined by torque steer and isn't a match on the Focus ST for poise and handling (I've not driven either so that's based on reviews I've read). In standard spec though, other than cheapish looking trim, I would agree that the Mazda 3 is a great little car.


My mother has a Focus and I'd say it has diddlying awful torque steer. It's a brilliant car.... absolutely perfect for her, it's nippy, looks fantastic... smooth, quiet and all that jazz... very nice car but when I drive it and give it a bit of a kicking at the lights it torque steers badly. I'm used to a heavy I6 RWD, though but my missus has a FWD car, though it is a 3.6L V6 and it has very little torque steer... barely noticeable. My mother's Focus, on the other hand' will track across the road if left uncorrected under power.

I really like that car because I found it for her. I did all the leg work, organised the test drive and check-over and got her a frigging brilliant price for a high-end Focus with low Ks, so I've taken more interest in it than I otherwise would have. It's not a car that I would like to drive but for what it is, it's fantastic.

To the Mazda 3, if the Focus is considered a standard in poise off the line I would be very suspicious of the Mazda... I would be unhappy with the Focus if it were any worse it that area. Infact, I consider its torque steering habbits as the only downfall in otherwise outstanding small car.

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Re: Automobile magazine says of the new Camaro...
« Reply #81 on: October 16, 2008, 10:47:20 PM »
I preferred the Firebird anyway, starting with my '73.

You got a picture of that?  :devil
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Re: Automobile magazine says of the new Camaro...
« Reply #82 on: October 17, 2008, 01:47:25 AM »
Bah, Camaro will be weaksauce. 

3860 lbs and 420 BHP for the SS?   That's terrible.

The '03/'04 Cobra is still faster stock for stock. :lol 

Here are the official specs.

http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro/pdf/2010+Camaro+Specifications.pdf
hp is good, and i remember gm saying it was going to leave 100 hp on the table for chips or programers! but that 3860 is not too good, i remember running the 70s f body at just under 3100lbs without a lot of parts missing!
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Re: Automobile magazine says of the new Camaro...
« Reply #83 on: October 17, 2008, 02:02:02 AM »
This is the auction price of the 08 chargers right now and below the 08 Mustangs. Not that many Chargers but lots of Mustangs out there.










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Re: Automobile magazine says of the new Camaro...
« Reply #84 on: October 17, 2008, 02:46:06 AM »
Bah, Camaro will be weaksauce. 

3860 lbs and 420 BHP for the SS?   That's terrible.

The '03/'04 Cobra is still faster stock for stock. :lol 

Here are the official specs.

http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro/pdf/2010+Camaro+Specifications.pdf

Faster?  The SS hasn't even been tested yet.   :rolleyes:
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Re: Automobile magazine says of the new Camaro...
« Reply #85 on: October 17, 2008, 03:29:21 AM »
In the late 80's, Ford's European lineup included the Mk 2 Fiesta, the Mk2/3 Escort, the Sierra and the Granada. All truly awful cars which no true car lover would touch (the Sierra RS Cosworth being the one very notable exception).

yup, characterless chitboxes..euro fords sucked big time in the 80's.

brit fords of the 60's and 70's however generally rocked.

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Re: Automobile magazine says of the new Camaro...
« Reply #86 on: October 17, 2008, 08:06:03 AM »
This is the auction price of the 08 chargers right now and below the 08 Mustangs. Not that many Chargers but lots of Mustangs out there.



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Re: Automobile magazine says of the new Camaro...
« Reply #87 on: October 17, 2008, 02:26:10 PM »
My parents had an XR4TI mercur when I was a kid, I loved it, had a 4 banger and turbo, with a 5 speed.   Was a pretty nice car.


Perfectly relibable as well, I think it was an 86?  My parents had traded in the 84 supercoupe tbird in for it. The Tbird had turbo issues from day one and spent half the first year of ownership in the dealer.

The Xr4Ti and the Turbocoupe had the exact same motor as did the SVO Mustang in '86.

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Re: Automobile magazine says of the new Camaro...
« Reply #88 on: October 17, 2008, 02:29:02 PM »
You got a picture of that?  :devil

Not enough unfortunately :(  Only pics i have left are of it in the garage on jackstands during a tranny swap and when it was 3 years old and i was .4 years old.

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Re: Automobile magazine says of the new Camaro...
« Reply #89 on: October 17, 2008, 02:50:44 PM »
Faster?  The SS hasn't even been tested yet.   :rolleyes:
Well, look at the power to weight.   The Cobra makes ~365-380 RWHP stock - that's around 430 BHP - and it weighs 3665 lbs.  It's capable of mid-high 12's @ 113 MPH stock.  I'm pretty sure that the SS will not be as fast.  I'd say the SS will run very low 13's, or very high 12's @ ~109.  We'll see!

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