Automobile magazine says of the new Camaro...

[CAP1]

ROFL Clerik

I didn't say I hate Fords.

Your definition of 'ignorance' is interesting.
Is english your second language? .. or perhaps you don't understand what the word actually refers to?

Or .. a better guess .. you dislike that I dont like Fords and can't express yourself accurately so you just barrage text to annoy and irritate.

As for what Ford has done 30 years ago ..up to today ..it's all the same.
They suck at 'engineering' in so many ways it's a complete waste of my time to get involved with another one.

But ..that's just me.
I'm sure if you spend enough time and money you can have a lot of fun with one.
Good luck with that.

First On Race Day
(first to break, first to be back on the trailer, first to go home .. the usual
-poke- the Ford fanbois

-GE

his saying that may be my fault. i asked why you hate em, simply because the undertone of your posts implied that you do. he may have said that after reading my question.

[CAP1]

ROFL Clerik

I didn't say I hate Fords.

Your definition of 'ignorance' is interesting.
Is english your second language? .. or perhaps you don't understand what the word actually refers to?

Or .. a better guess .. you dislike that I dont like Fords and can't express yourself accurately so you just barrage text to annoy and irritate.

As for what Ford has done 30 years ago ..up to today ..it's all the same.
They suck at 'engineering' in so many ways it's a complete waste of my time to get involved with another one.

But ..that's just me.
I'm sure if you spend enough time and money you can have a lot of fun with one.
Good luck with that.

First On Race Day
(first to break, first to be back on the trailer, first to go home .. the usual
-poke- the Ford fanbois

-GE

just for the record, though.....my 89 never broke. never 6,000rpm launches on drag radials, and i drove her to and from the track. street racing, racing at a local closed down airport.....driving like an arse otw work.....she never once let me down. all i did was change the oil every month, and plugs when i decided i didn't like the way they looked anymore.

 when she finally DID break, it was from a meeting with a saturn that crossed the line, and nowhere for me to go.

[CAP1]

Agreed sir and that was my original point. They all have gems and they all have poop. Picking out the gems is whats important.
As for you 80's comment there were a few.  GNX, LX 5.0's 5.7 fbodies.  Now your mid/late 70's you can keep omg, they all were vanilla.

i think the fastest F bodies in the 80's were the buick engined turbo toys, weren't they?

[Bronk]

i think the fastest F bodies in the 80's were the buick engined turbo toys, weren't they?

Aye but with a bit of tweaking the 5.7s could really move out.

[sluggish]

Aye but with a bit of tweaking the 5.7s could really move out.

I had an IROC Z with a 305 HO and 5 speed.  It was very fast for the time.  It would leave rubber in 4 gears.  If you weren't careful hitting second or third she'd try to step sideways on you. I used to smoke 5.0 GT mustangs regularly. 

[CAP1]

I had an IROC Z with a 305 HO and 5 speed.  It was very fast for the time.  It would leave rubber in 4 gears.  If you weren't careful hitting second or third she'd try to step sideways on you. I used to smoke 5.0 GT mustangs regularly. 

i don't doubt ya......but i also think you were commin up against the kids that had no clue how to drive em.

[clerick]

i don't doubt ya......but i also think you were commin up against the kids that had no clue how to drive em.

Or the fact that the stock LX 5.0 had a little more horsepower than my current V6 mini-van and LESS than a SHO Taurus. The final version of the 5.0 was in the Explorer/Mountaineer and it was a little over 240 BPH. Sad for a V8, but given that there it plenty of bolt-on power i'm willing to forgive it.

[CAP1]

Or the fact that the stock LX 5.0 had a little more horsepower than my current V6 mini-van and LESS than a SHO Taurus. The final version of the 5.0 was in the Explorer/Mountaineer and it was a little over 240 BPH. Sad for a V8, but given that there it plenty of bolt-on power i'm willing to forgive it.

again, stock to stock, from about 79 to about 92 or 93, the mustangs were generally quicker than the car they were intended to compete with. cheaper too. and as has been mentioned already, very easy to modify.  94 was when ford really effed up, and made it into a super pig, as chevy made the camaro as fast as it should've been all along.
 it doesn;t matter to me, as i've never looked at camaro..or any taillights in any of my street racing(back when i was dumb enough to do that), and never saw taillights of anything comparably modded to mine on the track.

oo/....wait.....yes i did...........

in bracket racing when i had to run the camaros down. i saw the lights get bigger and bigger till i was sittin next to the other guy, as i peddled it so i didn't run out

[Cobra516]

i'd be more inclined to give it props had ford kept it affordable for the masses. that's what the stang was originally intended for. a good pony car for the masses.

It is/was affordable to the masses.  The '03/'04 Cobra was MSRP of $35k - a very good deal given the performance capability/ease of making massive horsepower.  The price of the GT500 is outrageous.  I've been talking about the '03 Cobra though.

[Excel1]

i'm not sure the clevlend is considered a smallblock. the 351W is a smallblock, but i thoguht the C was considered an FE block. but again, the 351W was a decent engine. the 351M sucked, big time

the 351c is definitely a small block.

the 351c along with the bastard child 351m, the 400 and the aussie 302c form the 335 engine family and although most of 351m/400's came with a big block bellhousing bolt pattern they are all small block engines.

the 351w has a taller deck than the 351c but the engines are close to the same size and weight. the cleveland has the same bore size and bore spacing as the 351w/302/289 as well. although it can use the same dizzy as the 429/460 and from memory some of the c's cam journals are big block size, but that's where the similarities with the big blocks ends.

[Raygun]

Hmm, I love both Ponies and Camaro's, although not anything past 1976 for Pony's, and anything past 1984 for Camaro's. The good day's are gone D:. But it's okay, i still get a kick tearing ricers up in my 1990 ZR1, and 1973 Vette's.

Pony/Camaro/Challenger/Charger/etc: Great afforadable badas* rides.


Corvette: What every other muscle car aspires to be (AKA The Destroyer of Imports). 

I'll stick with my Vette's. 

[CAP1]

It is/was affordable to the masses.  The '03/'04 Cobra was MSRP of $35k - a very good deal given the performance capability/ease of making massive horsepower.  The price of the GT500 is outrageous.  I've been talking about the '03 Cobra though.

35k is redicioulous for a mustang. and is not affordable for the masses. 20-25k would be more in line.

and don't forget..this is comming from a mustang lover dude.........

i make a decent living, and can't pay 35k for one. actually, if i could, i wouldn't. that's territory for a LSC type of car there.

[moot]

OK, no chrome bumpers but this one is way cooler than the one they built-

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by Giugiaro

[Widewing]

Go to your local Chevy dealer and buy or order a Colbalt SS.

In this month's issue, Car and Driver tested one of these little monsters on a road racing circuit against many of the fastest cars available in the USA at any price.

It beat the WRX Sti. It beat the Mitsu EVO. It demolished the Challenger SRT-8.

It will eat a V-6 Camaro in one swallow, with a Mustang GT for dessert.

It holds the absolute lap record at Nurburgring for its class, 27 seconds faster than the VW R32. It was quicker than the Porsche Boxster S.

Under $23,000, about $24k with some options.

The Colbalt SS isn't a car for profiling down the avenue. Its driver will only be showing off its tail lights.


My regards,

Widewing

[ink]

I dislike Ford's for several reasons and I will never own another one...


'55 Chebby 2-door post (cost me $25, in 1965, freshman high school year)
'59 Chebby Biscayne 4-door (party car..carry a case of beer in the trunk easy
'60 Chebby 2-door Impala (my first cam change, a 327 car with 4:11's)
'60 VW Bug convertible. (last year of high school)
'67 Hemi GTX 4-gear car (first car I ever bought that cost over 200 dollars, HS grad present to me by me)
'63 Ford Galaxie 500 convertible, 390 motor (traded in GTX for it, I was young and stupid)
'67 289 Mustang (my last Ford ..ever)
'69 383 Road Runner, 4-gear (9 years we owned it ..a nice running car..ended with 426 wedge in it)
'64 SS Malibu, L-88 427, tunnel-rammed crazy fast car, my first 'project' car
'62 Nova wagon (cost me $100, just a cheap run around car
'68 Dodge Coronet R/T 440 powered .. cost me $250, the guy just wanted to get rid of it..ran fine.
'71 Duster 440 six-pac, then tunnel rammed ..my 2nd project car, too much fun, never broke.
'70 Dart Swinger 340 Scat Pac ..fun little 13 second 'family car'
'69 Chebby half ton pickup (ever cam/carb up a 250 six banger? ..they run 'well'
'75 Chebby half ton surfer van, flares, custom paint, shag carpet, killer stereo, excellent tow vehicle.
'67 GTX 'project car' ..never finished it, tube framed it, motor setback 13", dana set forward 5"
'87 CRX Honda, first car I ever bought right off the show room floor. A go-cart
'75 3/4 ton van, ex-ambulance ..dana rear, a tank ..would tow anything.
'88 Civic hatchback, life test unit ..put 187k miles on it, it broke a rod (!!) ..mechanical defect Honda said.
Suzuki Swift ..I dont remember the year, paid 200 for it.. just transportation, itty bitty car.
'90 Grand Am, lil overhead cam 4-banger hi revvin motor
'88 Bonneville, nice for a V-6 cruiser
'96 Z-28 ..second car I had ever bought right off showroom, beautiful, fast. Sucked in the snow.
'98 Durango RED ..first autotrader purchase, brand new, 20k less than local dealer wanted!!
'00 360 Durango, 3.91 gears, 4wd, alla bells an whistles. first 4wd vehicle. 4wd Lo gear meant really..really low.
'98 Vette Z-51 coupe. Top of the line for '98, the C5 Z06 didn't come out till couple years later.

-Frank aka GE

nice list of cars there, to bad you dont have that 67 hemi GTX,

i am definitely a Mopar guy,
73 Dodge Challenger,72 340, slap stick shifter, rally sport package.
i owned this car for 6 and a half years, took it cross contry twice, went from Derry NH, to Darren(? think that was the town), Gorgia, in 17 hrs,(it should take 23 hrs), this car never let me down, topped it out at 140 plus, i say plus because i stopped paying att. to speedo at 140,i made a 1 hr drive from Casa Grande AZ to Tuscan AZ in 19 minutes.
 i have broke too many chevys to remember, left them on highways, shattered the crank shaft in a 350.
none of the fords ive owned where any good, allthough never had any ford Muscle.
 
this pic was taken in the mountains of NH, check out my own personal race track in the back ground
MOPAR OR NOCAR