Wow....

[Ack-Ack]

LIKE ACKACK

Your reading comprehension is just ask lacking as your flying skill.  1pluss44 was complaining about BnZers in this original post, suggest you go back and read it and then ask someone to explain it to you.  I was merely making an observation how some don't know what BnZ is and automatically assume any vertical maneuvering is BnZ.


ack-ack

[zuii]

Ok, definitely leaning towards an argument here.


zuii

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i so love killing 190s, 51, 109s, doing there ol BnZ tactics, in my Hurri.

allthough when the stick is flying more along the lines of E-fighting they are much harder to kill.

[Slate]

 If most of the whiners had Played AHI they wouldn't be whining about Scoring, Plane modeling, Tactics of others, ect. We just had fun engaging in a great flight sim. I commend HTC on how far they have come and the constant improving of the game over the years. 

[BnZ]

i so love killing 190s, 51, 109s, doing there ol BnZ tactics, in my Hurri.

allthough when the stick is flying more along the lines of E-fighting they are much harder to kill.

Yeah, but, as someone who has the most kills in a Jug and and a Hurri this tour, I know which one is the easier to fly.

Now if someone is really sharp at E-management, gunnery, and patience, and has the TIME to work, the guy E fighting the Hurricane should win most of the time unless the Hurri can swap ends and HO unexpectedly. But all those factors are easier talked about than acquired, and the Hurri is MUCH easier to fly in terms of what your decision tree is, maneuvers, stability, etc. And once you do manage to get closure on something in a Hurri and force the turning fight, full planform tracking shots at really close range are as easy as it get as far as gunnery is concerned.

[Zazen13]

Yeah, but, as someone who has the most kills in a Jug and and a Hurri this tour, I know which one is the easier to fly.

Now if someone is really sharp at E-management, gunnery, and patience, and has the TIME to work, the guy E fighting the Hurricane should win most of the time unless the Hurri can swap ends and HO unexpectedly. But all those factors are easier talked about than acquired, and the Hurri is MUCH easier to fly in terms of what your decision tree is, maneuvers, stability, etc. And once you do manage to get closure on something in a Hurri and force the turning fight, full planform tracking shots at really close range are as easy as it get as far as gunnery is concerned.

You nailed it right there...That's the core truth of it...An E fighter is only dangerous with E and only remains dangerous if the pilot is able to exercise good E management. A more maneuverable plane is always dangerous. If a less maneuverable plane doesn't have the E to get away from a more maneuverable one he's totally screwed unless the more maneuverable plane is piloted by someone who is incompetent. Combine that with what you mentioned about close range high profile tracking shots vs. high closure rate, nanosecond long, extremely high deflection shots and you get the picture.

The only difficult thing in a slow, but maneuverable plane is getting in tight where the prey can't escape. Once you do that though, he's just meat on the table.

[Gixer]

You nailed it right there...That's the core truth of it...An E fighter is only dangerous with E and only remains dangerous

Exception to the rule being the F4U, with it's gamey bag of tricks combining seriously over modeled flaps and landing gear it's dangerous at low speeds or with E. Being able to out float a zeke at low speeds is just ridiculous for an aircraft of it's size and weight.


<S>...-Gixer

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Yeah, but, as someone who has the most kills in a Jug and and a Hurri this tour, I know which one is the easier to fly.

Now if someone is really sharp at E-management, gunnery, and patience, and has the TIME to work, the guy E fighting the Hurricane should win most of the time unless the Hurri can swap ends and HO unexpectedly. But all those factors are easier talked about than acquired, and the Hurri is MUCH easier to fly in terms of what your decision tree is, maneuvers, stability, etc. And once you do manage to get closure on something in a Hurri and force the turning fight, full planform tracking shots at really close range are as easy as it get as far as gunnery is concerned.

gunnery, this is where i am seriously lacking, after 5 years you would think i would get better, it seems like ive gotten worse.

[yanksfan]

lets be fair.

Yanksfan is my HERO, he is a shineing example of everything a squadie should be! I can only walk in his shadow however, he is a great great man!

Fixed that for ya buddy!  

[Zazen13]

Exception to the rule being the F4U, with it's gamey bag of tricks combining seriously over modeled flaps and landing gear it's dangerous at low speeds or with E. Being able to out float a zeke at low speeds is just ridiculous for an aircraft of it's size and weight.


<S>...-Gixer

Yea, that's a FM bug though...Hopefully it's on the "fix" to do list...

[Zazen13]

gunnery, this is where i am seriously lacking, after 5 years you would think i would get better, it seems like ive gotten worse.

This isn't going to be encouraging, but gunnery is one skill that is 90% innate aptitude and only about 10% learned/experience. After five years you have definitely learned/experienced practically every shot there is if you spend most of your time fightering. If your gunnery still blows it's just an innate limitation. I honestly can't think of one person I've known after 18+ years of this who had poor gunnery after a few years and became a good shot later. The time-frame varies by the individual and playtime, but for the most part after a year or two your gunnery is as good as it's going to get most likely.

I encourage you to pass along some films of yourself in a wide array of shooting positions to an AH trainer and see if they notice something fundamental you are doing wrong.

[drdeathx]

Looks like ACKACK pharted again ooops farted

[Chalenge]

Flying in and out of your own ack in a Hurri is not BnZ and its not really killing when the ack shoots people down. Nice try though.

[Gixer]

Yea, that's a FM bug though...Hopefully it's on the "fix" to do list...

And how long has that bug been out? We probably won't see the fix any time soon if at all.  I've been back for just over a year and it's seems to of been out couple years prior to that. Didn't exist (and neither did many F4Us) when I left and that was around 03. In the mean time I'll give them the attention they deserve, by targeting them first and picking them off however I find em.



<S>...-Gixer

[Zazen13]

And how long has that bug been out? We probably won't see the fix any time soon if at all.  I've been back for just over a year and it's seems to of been out couple years prior to that. Didn't exist (and neither did many F4Us) when I left and that was around 03. In the mean time I'll give them the attention they deserve, by targeting them first and picking them off however I find em.



<S>...-Gixer

Yea, I've noticed as this became public knowledge, a lot of score potatos formerly in Spits, Nikis, and Lgay7s are now always in an F4U variant.