109 G6 missing something?

[TimRas]

terrible paint scheme and all those 20mm rounds...

The skin is awesome, made by Kanttori. The next is for K-4. ?
All this is really not important, it just shows that that you are a bit fanatic.
(I hope not more Prozac commercials in return)

[Karnak]

But to think that every other plane's convergence could be changed between 150-600 isn't quite true either. Very rarely pilots had much say on how the guns were harmonized.

Spitfire cannons could not be converged closer than, if I recall, 250 yards.  The bays were too narrow to allow the cannon to be pointed inward enough to converge earlier than that.

[Wmaker]

Spitfire cannons could not be converged closer than, if I recall, 250 yards.  The bays were too narrow to allow the cannon to be pointed inward enough to converge earlier than that.

Yes, I remember Tony Williams talking about it aswell. The pilots actually would have wanted them closer.

[Anaxogoras]

I suppose my question is what a G6 with a 30mm brings that we don't already have better in the K4.

I'm serious; I'm not being argumentative here.

If I had a G6 with the 30mm and the K4 with the 30mm, both sitting in the hangar, why would I choose the G6 over the K4, other than for variety?

Some of us like to fly the G-6 for the challenge it presents vs zooming around with impunity in a K-4.

[toonces3]

Ok, copy that!

Now, to the more important question...why is Stoney more interested in play Forest Elf than cartoon Fighter Pilot?!   

[Stoney]

Space Elf...not Forest

[Stoney]

If I had a G6 with the 30mm and the K4 with the 30mm, both sitting in the hangar, why would I choose the G6 over the K4, other than for variety?

Well, in the MW arena, you don't have a K4, but you do have a G-6.  Ultimately though, if it was available in relevant numbers during the war, it should be available to us, regardless of LW MA capability.  That goes for armament, aircraft, paint schemes, you name it--at least IMO.

[Anaxogoras]

Ultimately though, if it was available in relevant numbers during the war, it should be available to us, regardless of LW MA capability.  That goes for armament, aircraft, paint schemes, you name it--at least IMO.

Heck yeah!  Now convince HTC.   Fwiw, the 109 is not the only victim here, but I'll stay on topic to make wmaker happy.

[FlyinFin]

Well, in the MW arena, you don't have a K4, but you do have a G-6.  Ultimately though, if it was available in relevant numbers during the war, it should be available to us, regardless of LW MA capability.  That goes for armament, aircraft, paint schemes, you name it--at least IMO.

Well, in the EW arena, you don't have a G, but you do have a F-4.  Ultimately though, if it was available in relevant numbers during the war, it should be available to us, regardless of LW MA capability.  That goes for armament, loadout, aircraft, paint schemes, you name it--IHMO.

[wrag]

Well, when it started, this thread sure degenerated fast...

Wrag,

Why did you have to vomit that garbage of yours into a yet another thread? I've seen you do that about dozen times now and it gets old really fast. There was no dedicated ground attack model, nor do 109s accelerate poorly. Having dueled against you in 109s I can say that your biggest problem is firmly between stick and the seat.

BiPolar,

This silly "Neutered" BS doesn't help your cause at all.

Anaxogoras,

You tell Wrag not to derail the thread and yet you babble about wanting a GM-1 -equipped in a thread about MK 108 load out option for G-6.

FlyinFin,

109F-4 has nothing to do with this thread, stay on topic. Make your own thread about its load out options if you must.

Squire,

I get back to you after I've counted to 10.

FYI pointed HTC at an article in Flight Journal that was about ACTUAL flight test of a Pony AGAINST a 109g10 that was recently done by 2 rather famous individuals (sadly one of them died in a P38 accident not too long afterward).  THEY REPORTED that the 109G10 OUT TURNS the Pony and the ONLY thing the Pony had on that 109 was SPEED.

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Also pointed HTC at an article in the same mag about a 190 vs an f6f.  AND the 190 did fairly well considering.  I noticed that OUR 190s SEEMED to turn a little better AFTERWARD.

So actual facts?

Maybe you need a cookie?

As to the duel  maybe we should do it again some time.  PERHAPS you will find things a little different?

[BigPlay]

The con. being set at 400 isn't the issue.
The issue is that the 109 G6 doesn't have it 30mm cannon. (Which it should)

I have spoke to many Luftwaffe pilots over the years Gunther Rall, Walter Schuck and many others a little less known. From what I  gathered about all planes that the Luftwaffe flew especially on front line bases is that many were changed, altered to the pilot's suiting and or to what was available. Just because our 109 G-6 doesn't have a 30mm option doesn't mean it shouldn't be available. They put just about every Spitfire variant in here with people screaming for more so what's the big deal about having a 30mm option.

[thrila]

screaming? I remember the last spitfire thread being a lot more civil than this one.

[Squire]

"Squire,

I get back to you after I've counted to 10."

Count to 10. I was just trying to have a civil conversation, but you seem hell bent on getting "upset", so I will bow out. Regards.

EDIT: I will leave you with Wotan/Brunos comments on it:

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,162110.0.html

"1/3 of all G-6s didn't have 3cm, you were shown this in the other thread. Since the G-6 has been re-done to reflect an earlier G-6 (framed canopy, regular tail) its a G-6 that would rarely have 3cm, especially in '43. As I said to Kurfurst about the F-4 gondolas a G-6 with 3cm as an option will get 'abused' and you end up seeing far more G-6/U4s then ever saw service. See Butch's post in the linked thread. In '43 there were only 181 G-6/U4 produced. Less then 15% of the total number of G-6s (12k) produced overall were G-6/U4s."

[Stoney]

Heck yeah!  Now convince HTC.   Fwiw, the 109 is not the only victim here, but I'll stay on topic to make wmaker happy.

To be honest, I think that is HTC's intent.  I believe that ultimately, HTC wants everything that had a credible representation during the war, in the game.  The priorities and timeline with which they accomplish that feat is completely up to them.

[Wmaker]

"Squire,

I get back to you after I've counted to 10."

Count to 10. I was just trying to have a civil conversation, but you seem hell bent on getting "upset", so I will bow out. Regards.

What exactly was wrong with my last reply to you?

Whatever.

The information you asked for can be found from my last reply to you.

I think you might have mixed Gallandpanzer with Erla Haube and that was the reason you thought the plane's appearance hinted later into the war.