Author Topic: weight of statistics on rank (Read 546 times)

CavemanJ · « **on:** March 05, 2001, 09:58:00 PM »

Two pilots, fighter ranks only (I have a screenshot of the stats, just not uploaded):

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Kills 43, Assists 4, Hit% 0.159303, Points 5314.723300
Kills/(Deaths+1) = 0.924700
Kills/Sorties = 0.716700
Kills/Time = 0.001900

Sorties 60
Landed 10
Discos 1
Bails 7
Ditches 4
Captures 0
Deaths 38
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Kills 71, Assists 21, Hit% 0.038000, Points 5291.383900
Kills/(Deaths+1) = 2.629600
Kills/Sorties = 1.392200
Kills/Time = 0.001100

Sorties 51
Landed 21
Discos 4
Bails 0
Ditches 2
Captures 1
Deaths 23
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One of them is ranked in the low 130s, the other is mid 50s. You guess which is which.

Point difference is 23.3394, Hit% difference is 0.12[something], both in favor of 'pilot 1'. Kills, assists, K/D, K/Sortie are all for 'pilot 2'. I'm not sure how Kill/Time works, so I dinnae who's ahead there.

RAS · « **Reply #1 on:** March 05, 2001, 10:07:00 PM »

If I had to guess which was ranked 50 i would go with the first one on your list. Though personally I think the second pilot has better stats (K/D, K/S, and landed sorties), the game scoring system somehow favors other factors. Which "other factors" they are I do not know. That each of the "scoring catagories" is "weighted" might give rise to a method of figuring out how each ranking is arrived at. What those weighted factors are I don't know either.

Anyway.....which is it ??

RAS

[This message has been edited by RAS (edited 03-05-2001).]

Spatula · « **Reply #2 on:** March 06, 2001, 01:10:00 AM »

I dont give a sh*t about my 'ranking' it rewards those who fly a different style than i do as well as being a well-rounded player, vehicles, planes, ships, bombers.

I only care about sorties/landings and kill/death in the 'fighter' role

[This message has been edited by Spatula (edited 03-06-2001).]

Pongo · « **Reply #3 on:** March 06, 2001, 02:04:00 AM »

While player # 2 has generaly better stats player #1 has extrordinary accuracy. That probably moves him above the other pilot who sprays and prays more.

nonoht · « **Reply #4 on:** March 06, 2001, 03:51:00 AM »

i don't give a sh** at score as soon as i've ranked in the 30

lol

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LLv34_Snefens · « **Reply #5 on:** March 06, 2001, 10:03:00 AM »

The Hit% makes all the difference there. With the new scoring system we currently can't see how we rank in each skill (hopefully it will come sometime), but looking at stats in tour 11, a hit% of 15.93% would rank you as #9 in that catagory, while 3.80% gives you a rank of ~640.

2.63 is ~#30 in K/D, while 0.92 is ~#330
1.29 is ~#65 in K/S, while 0.72 is ~#300
0.0019 is ~#34 in K/T, while 0.0011 is ~#215

Adding those give for person 1:
9+330+300+34 = 673 rank points,
while person two gets:
640+30+65+215 = 950 rank points.

Person 1 is clearly better ranked than Person 2. Even if person two was #1 in all but Hit% he would only just pass person 1.

To achieve ok rank you don't need to master anything, just don't suck at anything

Person #2 is either an extreme spray 'n pray person (maybe C-Hog?

) or he just strafe alot of buildings while on fighter sorties and this makes his hit% lousy.
Person one's K/D and K/S is not great, but 0.92 and 0.71 is actually about the average score in arena.

[This message has been edited by LLv34_Snefens (edited 03-06-2001).]

Vermillion · « **Reply #6 on:** March 06, 2001, 10:21:00 AM »

You mean there is a score? And we are ranked?

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CavemanJ · « **Reply #7 on:** March 06, 2001, 11:19:00 AM »

Spat, nono, why did you even bother replying? You're doing nothing but cluttering a thread with a serious question.
I'm not overly worried about score, but I've started seriously trying to fly to live and I'm use K/D and K/S along with landed sorties to judge how I'm doing with that goal.

Snef thanks for that breakdown. Guess the wieght of Hit% is why they added the Fighter/Attack scoring options.
But exactly what does Kills/Time show?

Wardog · « **Reply #8 on:** March 06, 2001, 12:29:00 PM »

Cave..

For rank you need to use all assets. Just doing 3 or 4 bomber sorties can greatly increase your rank, add a few field captures and you can jump from 350th to 30 in no time.

Wasting Ord and ammo can hurt but it is easily made up in other aspects of the Sim.

Dog out...

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #9 on:** March 06, 2001, 01:10:00 PM »

Snefens hit the nail on the head. Being a deadly marksman is a way to move right up the ranks.

Also, the difference between .0019 k/t and .0011 is pretty big.

I have a pretty decent k/s and k/d this tour... though not as good as last tour. My hit % is much better... and my fighter rank is higher as a result.

AKDejaVu

Lephturn · « **Reply #10 on:** March 06, 2001, 01:33:00 PM »

Just FYI, I normally shoot about 4%.

I fly the Jug, and I have a twisty stick. One of the reasons I like the Jug is because I can't shoot for beans. The rudders are incredibly bouncy with the twisty stick, and it hurts my gunnery.

I don't strafe anything, and rarely do anything other than straight A2A in my Jug. Part of the reason I shoot so bad in the Jug is because I CAN! The Jug with the overload ammo condition has so much ammo that it's silly for me to be miserly with it, even if I could and still get kills. I set up deflection shots where I hold the trigger down and let him fly through the stream regularly, and I mostly miss. I still have enough ammo, and hit enough times, that it's worth doing.

I might be upset about it if I ever looked at my "rank".

I normally only look at my kills versus killed by for the P47 just to see how I'm doing, and what planes I have trouble with. I'll occasionally look at my K/D, but I do too many things like auger or alt-F4 for that to mean anything. I wish you could clear your stats like you could in WB, that was useful.

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Beurling · « **Reply #11 on:** March 06, 2001, 02:00:00 PM »

The way the stats are ranked are wrong imo.

A good k/d should be first in importance.
K/sortie weighed slightly less.
Landed kills next. We do not have this category it would be nice.
Hit% then kills per time.

Points well im not sure how they are given or what thing are worth. So thats last imo.

I think the current system is set up as a balance between the k/d fliers and the Quake fliers. It seems if you fly alot and are amass a large number of kills/points you are ranked higher than if you fly a lower number of missions and fly them better.

Oh yes you must drop bombs if you just acm like i do you get killed in the rankings.

EYE

LLv34_Snefens · « **Reply #12 on:** March 06, 2001, 03:05:00 PM »

"But exactly what does Kills/Time show?"

It simply shows Kills/flight time (in seconds).

ex:

5 kills in 1 hour of fligt gives a K/T of:

5/(1*60*60) = 0.00139

, so higher is better.

[This message has been edited by LLv34_Snefens (edited 03-06-2001).]

Jigster · « **Reply #13 on:** March 06, 2001, 03:35:00 PM »

My fighter stats:

vs. Enemies Kills / Deaths + 1
10.0000
Kills / Sorties
1.4286
Kills / Time online
0.0018
Hit percentage
0.1047

Points 2977.7623

Time 01:32:24
Rank 21

It's taken nearly a week for the stats to fall to 21. The seven fighter sorties I made were on the first day of the tour, haven't flown a fighter sortie since. At that time I was ranked 3, and it's slowly fell, so points probably have a pretty decent impact on rank but not near as much as the other criteria, given how slow it's fallen.

go figure.

- Bessy

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #14 on:** March 07, 2001, 03:33:00 PM »

Are we talking fighter rank alone here or overall rank?

-- Todd/DMF

Author Topic: weight of statistics on rank (Read 546 times)

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