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Offline LLv34_Camouflage

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« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2001, 05:07:00 AM »
I know that WW2OL will be a revolutionary game once its released.  But to say that AH players will flock to WW2OL, is a bit premature, to say the least.

Like I said, these two games have a totally different scope.  AH (and also the upcoming WB3) are 95% air combat, WW2OL is totally focusing on the ground war. The air forces are "limited" to their historical role, ground support.  Atleast if the country commanders want to win the war.  

One serious thing you're overlooking, is the fact that it will probably take a few years until the WW2OL planeset is anywhere near AH or WB. If I understood correctly, for the first few scenarios (France and BoB) the axis jagdflieger are limited to flying the 109E and 110C. Then there's the Stuka and He111. But somehow "they will all leave for WW2OL" doesn't sound too convincing.

The $9 price tag on WW2OL is very reasonable. I'm sure many AH players will get a WW2OL account as well. I know I probably will. But I'm 100% sure that WW2OL will not quench my A2A needs. Absolutely positively sure. Thats why I will keep my AH account as well.  

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« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2001, 06:32:00 AM »
What Camo said!  

True WWIIOL shows great promise (the concept), but until its released to the public, thats all it is.

Promises and screenshots.

(FYI thats how I feel about any unreleased game, its all hype until you bring it to the table.)


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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2001, 07:22:00 AM »
There is no reason to believe WW2OL will only be promises and screenshots. The open beta will probably be out in may. So it wont be long until we can taste it.

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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2001, 08:19:00 AM »
How well would Axis/allied arena work? Allies would have atleast four most popular (and easiest) planes, N1K2, F4U-1C, Spit IX and P-51. Axis would only have Dora.

How fun would that arena be?

Separate ETO and PTO might work better but that would divide player base which is not good.

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« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2001, 08:35:00 AM »
I enjoyed AW's Pacific and ETO game rooms, we should do it.

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« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2001, 08:49:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by Jochen:
How well would Axis/allied arena work? Allies would have atleast four most popular (and easiest) planes, N1K2, F4U-1C, Spit IX and P-51. Axis would only have Dora.

slap me if i'm wrong, but wasn't the N1K a japanese plane?  

back to the topic:

i think this kind of arena could be fun, if only to offer an alternative to the MA; and quite frankly for the amount of money that HTC receives from its subscribers it should implement this if there is enough support for the idea regardless of whatever direction they wish to go in.  obviously we couldn't FORCE them to do it, but ignoring market demands is a very stupid thing for any company to do. having said all this, i doubt it would be that fun until the axis side have a decent number of bombers to match the allies.




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« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2001, 12:03:00 PM »
Thats my point Fokker, none of us know what WWIIOL will be like (except for the closed beta people). So until its released to the public, its nothing.

When it comes out, then it can be judged by its own virtues.




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« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2001, 01:02:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Jochen:
How well would Axis/allied arena work? Allies would have atleast four most popular (and easiest) planes, N1K2, F4U-1C, Spit IX and P-51. Axis would only have Dora.

Why the hell is it that German fans constantly equate Axis = German and Allies = American, British, Italian, Japanese and Russian?  It gets really bleeping old.

Here are the major nations:

Allies
United States
Soviet Union
United Kingdom

Axis
Germany
Japan
Italy

What does this mean?  It means that the Axis have the 2nd most popular plane in AH, thats what it means.  Yes, shocking as it is, despite HTC's Allies bias , the N1K2-J is indeed an Axis fighter.

Please people, go read some history books, or own up to the fact that it isn't an Axis vs. Allies issue, but rather you guys whinning that Germany doesn't have the best fighter and you can't reconcile it in your mind that Japan produced and good fighters.

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« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2001, 05:31:00 PM »
Thats right Karnak.

That axis has a lack of buff alternatives was mended in WB by making B26 available to axis. That could be done in AH too until more axis buff alternatives became available.

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« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2001, 06:03:00 PM »
Fokker,

You are right that the Axis lack bomber capacity.

Temporary solution would be to allow general access to bombers.  Long term solution would be for HTC to add the He177 Greif and H8K2 "Emily" for the Axis.

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« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2001, 02:55:00 AM »
 
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I would like to see an arena where one side could only use axis planes and the other only use allie planes.
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An axis vs. allies arena is a bad idea.

Splitting the plane sets between ETO and PTO is also a bad idea.

These have been done before in other games.  

-It splits the community.

-It deprives the areans of the variety of the full plane set and the match ups get stale.

The arena in AH is a combat game using WW2 weapons, not a recreation of WW2.  Historic match ups are for scenarios and events.

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« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2001, 03:14:00 AM »
I'm all for an Axis vs. Allies arena, but we don't have enough of the right planes for that to work right now.

Allies have:
US- one version of one heavy bomber, one version of one medium bomber, sufficient mid-late war escort fighters/fighter bombers, no attack/light bombers, some mid-late war navy fighters, one navy bomber
Britain- not enough spitfires, a tempest, typhoon, no hurricanes, one heavy bomber, no medium bombers, no attack/light bombers, one naval fighter
Canada- A? we need all the plywood aircraft we can get here
Russia- three fighters/interceptors, Russia ain't got squat

Axis has:
Germany- decent numbers of mid-late war 190's, decent numbers of mid war 109's one lousy mid war medium bomber, no attack/light bombers, no decent fighterbombers, no heavy bombers
Japan- they got them a Jap zero, soon enough a He.100 and a UFO, no bombers, no fighterbombers, no attack/light bombers, no medium bombers, no heavy bombers, no naval bombers, practically no naval or army fighters
Italy- ohhh the shame
Misc. other capitulating countries- Fin 109?

Hey if HTC can quadruple the planeset and quadruple the number of aircraft variants, perk everything after 1942 or 43, uberperk post 1943 junk, and snafuperperk 1945 monsters, we might do all right with an allies vs. axis arena.

I’m all for an arena that forces 42 or 43 planes on the poor players, the US would still have all the best light/attack/medium/heavy bombers (minus a few guns in the front), faster early war bombers to, and our uberdweeb P-38, the P-47 to, maybe the P-51B.  The brits would get furball spits a pleanty and everything else.  The Japanese would be very balanced.  …and Germany will have kick bellybutton interceptors, good medium bombers and attack bombers, which is the way the 3./JG2 likes it.

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« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2001, 03:18:00 AM »
You forgot to mention brazillian P47  

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« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2001, 03:23:00 AM »
...yes and the Brazilian P-47, and the Polish spitfire!

What we really need is more nationalist chinese air force biplanes!  TURN WITH ME ZEKE!!!  BWAHAHAHAHAHA!  

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« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2001, 07:56:00 AM »
Verm, It suprises me to hear someone with a lot of knowledge of WWII AC not be interested in a AvA arena...Really it does.

I played a game that had 4..later 5 countries...all historical countries but all enemies.  And the times that I visited WB's the most ppl were in the AvA arena.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion of course but it perplexes me why anyone would not want historical matchup's.  Then again I'm a one country guy, and only fly a few planes.  There's enough models of my favorite planes that I'd of course be happy with early or late war set ups.

But....I don't fly games for just something to do...I fly then sorta as sport, and a little cause I want the only thing close to actually doing it.  And part of that "doing it" for me is historical settings.

To each his own though.

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