verm: yes it was purely the damage i mean not so much the ballistics.
one point you made is this is a single shell spoken of in tonys post and i understand where you are coming from but this is a game and i go by what i see and feel.
this situation:
'a 2 second burst from an hispano fired at 300 yards' would cause more damage than a mg151 for the same 2 seconds because more shells would hit(rof).But im going by the amount of pings you see.If i fire a snap shot at a fleeing plane with an hispano it 'seems'(not always but generally) to cause more damage than my mg151 if i get a single hit.This is where its not right you see? if i hit with my mg151 it is a harder shot but it should be no less damageing if like you said tony was talking single shell.I know velocity/penetration on hispano is greater but please this IS a game and for the sake of peace lets drop this finite squabbleing over subtle differences.Make my shell travel the true RL trajectory but please a hit is a hit, and according to tony williams, they 'should' cause the same sort of damage.in RL hispano probably more but AH it seems too much more to me.
the hispano would still have its advantage in ease of hitting a target.I hope this explains what im asking for, it really isnt an LW issue so much as a game issue.As for the net(lag etc) adversely affecting the more spaced out shells of a slower ROF gun i dont know but if this is true adjustment for it seems only fair to me.
SW <S> mate, you have really got me wound up a few times but i accept its all in 'fun'
i never was much good at holding my temper unfortunately so if ive ever offended you try to take it with a pinch of salt
Vulcan: <S> mate!! i understand now !!what you meant and i agree totally BUT i have got to say you are missing out if you havent discovered the 190s CAN dogfight if you use your bag of tricks!
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As for roll rates non importance I'll give you an example of roll rate saving my ass.
P51 on my bellybutton 900-1k closing..i split S but he follows slipping wildly with a barrel roll to maintain his position in lag pursuit as he cant match the initial roll, but hes clever enough to adjust, ok hes still on my bellybutton and he will follow me out in a favourable position i think.hes obviously not stupid, so i dive headlong for the ground looking back, jinking,watching his wings carefully,pings all around i wait until the last moment and roll at high speed,he starts to follow me round i rudder and roll the other way and pull out under extreme G...he cannot follow and i have the oppertunity to head the oppersite direction and disengage.tricking them into thinking one thing is part of the game and the 190 is a great plane for dummy moves.
there really are many tricks only usable in 190s with its high roll rate and i urge you to fly them more to learn them.Shaws book was written for the 190a8 !! im sure he was really a kraut hehe
<S> mandoble i think i'll state here and now whatever you say i agree with
your posts are usually among the best ive seen.
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Hazed
9./JG54
p.s. dowding i'll try to explain the significance of the reliability to the arguement bearing in mind what ive just written.
hispano armed f4c RL:
lower roll rate(than 190): higher ROF,excellent trajectory,equal if not better damage than comparable mg151 hit(1 shell only) but not much in it (tony williams quote) reliability problems and adverse vibration effects.
mg151 armed fw190 dora in RL:
Excellent roll rate, lower ROF , poor trajectory,equal if not slightly less damage than comparable hispano hit, no reliability problems as such, no mention of adverse vibration effects.
Hispano armed f4c in AH:
A gain in roll rate over 190s,higher ROF,excellent trajectory, more damaging than comparable mg151 hit(IMO),perfect reliability,no adverse vibration effect.
Mg151 armed fw dora in AH:
(20%?) reduction in roll rate,lower ROF,poor trajectory, less damage than comparable hispano hit (IMO),no bonus for reliability or vibration.possible disadvantage due to ROF and net issues.
this is what i feel is wrong.and im asking if it is possible to adjust to make it more fair.hope this is a bit clearer why i mentioned the other factors such as reliability.reliability as it stands, i know, is not a usable issue for a game but lets be fair and close the gap in differing performance of guns a bit.190s have already lost out on roll (and possible e retention? but im not expert i just take in what i read)
hispano armed planes have all the pluses and none of the historical minuses.
[This message has been edited by hazed- (edited 06-04-2001).]
