jesus its difficult to get through to you dowding from almost the very beginning i was talking about damage done by the hits and the roll rate reduction.I merely mentioned the vibration/reliability because it was being discussed by mandoble originally,like HE AND I said we were NOT asking for it to be factored in and i can see now i should have left it off those RL/AH comparisons.I also should have put tyhoon or spit instead of f4c because again dowding you read more into it than i intended.The GUN dowding. f4c just a hispano example!.
Originally posted by Dowding:
'You wrote about how the F4U-C is not penalised for having Hispanos which apparently had problems with vibration/reliability. Moreover, you state that Dora has 'no bonus' for reliability or lack of vibration. You then state you think this is wrong (along with the roll-rate issue), and ask for adjustment to make it more 'fair''
no dowding i wrote:
'Hispano armed f4c in AH:
A gain in roll rate over 190s,higher ROF,excellent trajectory, more damaging than comparable mg151 hit(IMO),perfect reliability,no adverse vibration effect.
Mg151 armed fw dora in AH:
(20%?) reduction in roll rate,lower ROF,poor trajectory, less damage than comparable hispano hit (IMO),no bonus for reliability or vibration.possible disadvantage due to ROF and net issues.'
id rather you ignore the vibration/reliability dowding.You have 'conveniently' quoted JUST the reliability ignoring roll/damage per round/ROF net issues.These were what i was mainly trying to talk about. DO you see why it is so infuriateing? I really dont give a sh :)t about the reliability but it IS documented about the hispano.(in AH the guns are perfect models supposedly so manufacture materials dont factor in,its a DESIGN fault so thats why i thought people might agree it has avoided a real life problem and so it was another plus for the hispano).Im sure you do know exactly what you are doing, if not then i cant beleive you cannot see what i mean by your conjecture and quoteing out of context habits.You concentrate on an issue that I actually AGREED with earlier when i said even amunition was sabotaged by the slave workers and it was not worth factoring into a game.
Im trying to make you understand..yes the figures for rof/ballistics match whats on paper(official tests) and in the AH code. ROF/balistics to all intents is correct ok? BUT is the NORMAL NET PROBLEMS making them behave worse because, like mandoble said, the slower bullets will suffer more than a high rate gun as targets microwarp more(or each warp is more pronounced) when nearer than 300 yards.This is what i mean would be FAIR to account into the game if found true.I DID NOT ASK for a bonus to be added for reliability! it was merely the opersite of having no PENALTY for poor reliability.Jeez i wished this bit was never mentioned as its given you something to change the thread with.Its almost like hijacking a thread by being pedantic over the slightest remark.Ive spent more time trying to explain things to you than anything else.
My posts are full of vitriol? no dowding its called frustration and you are the cause.I called you annoying because your statement :
Originally posted by Dowding:
'The points about ROF, projectile drop - well they are characteristics of the German cannons, and really it's something you have to live with.'
Where did i say the ROF or bullet drop was wrong? I stated clearly what i KNOW about the hispano and mg151, hispano good with higher !mg151 poor with slower! yet you said id have to live with it as if i was demanding it changed when i wasnt asking for it at all!.Im asking for the damage and the reasons they are hard to hit with be looked into.whether the behaviour in AH has been affected by the net, or whatever else may cause them to appear so much less effective. I cant explain anymore and now ive left i really dont care for myself, so its not an attempt at getting an unhistorical advantage.I dont want one dont try and make out I do.I want this game to match what ive read in tony williams statement.I have left because this amongst other things was annoying me.
ok thats all ill say on it Dowding, i regret thinking you would read my post as it was intended.Its obvious you think everything i say is some sort of attempt to get an advantage or remove some realistic advantage the allies had.Either that or you find some pleasure in winding people up.Youre quite good at it arent you(intended or not).I think ill just ignore your answers from now on whenever i return to these boards.Do me a favour and ignore mine.
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