Turning in a P-38L

[MjTalon]

Didn't think light bombers could turn... 












 

[humble]

I'm not at all gifted in the 38 but what I do know is that the good 38 drivers almost never flat turn it. Using flaps, rudder and the correct verticals make the thing dance...here's a good example from later last night.
http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/205and38.ahf

[trigger2]

I have a Saitek Av8r-01 fight stick (dual throttles)

Same stick I use, and from my personal experiance, cutting power to inner engine helps you roll a smidge, but it's mostly your rudder and flaps that gets you turnin. IMO, dual throttle works best for controllin your aircraft on the runway. 

Didn't think light bombers could turn... 

 

That, my friend, was a shot below the belt. 

[Murdr]

I'm not at all gifted in the 38 but what I do know is that the good 38 drivers almost never flat turn it. Using flaps, rudder and the correct verticals make the thing dance...here's a good example from later last night.
http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/205and38.ahf

I have that one on film... http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/murdr/film52_0245.ahf

[B4Buster]

Humble I disagree, I flat turn mine whenever the opportunity arises, it does an excellent job in the flat turn.

cutting power to inner engine helps you roll a smidge

...to roll my plane over faster (ex: on a merge), and in a rolling scissor.

Riiight, what I said 

[humble]

I have that one on film... http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/murdr/film52_0245.ahf

Very interesting to watch, I dont get to see myself from the other side enough. I lost you in my 6 looking at the A5, didnt even hear the shots ...

Lost you at the bottom later and couldnt find you, saw the other 38 but it was in the wrong place to be you, in film I actually have you in views for a swc but didnt see you IRL. After the fact I was a bit curious if I guessed wrong trying to knuckle under...but from your film I think that was an even easier shot then the one I ended up giving you. Looking at it after the fact I feel like I took the fight back way to quickly but you killed me earlier when I tried to use a climbing cutback on you.

[B4Buster]

nice fight guys, snaphook you hung in there quite a while against a superior plane IMO

[Ack-Ack]

Humble I disagree, I flat turn mine whenever the opportunity arises, it does an excellent job in the flat turn.

Riiight, what I said 

The only time it's advisable to flat turn in a P-38 is when you're against a poorer turning aircraft.  If you manage to out 'flat-turn' someone in a P-38 and they are in a better turning aircraft, you just ran into someone that isn't very experienced and is probably flying with stall-limiter on.  The fact is, in the flat turn the P-38 is very poor in this regard, the P-38's turning strength is in the vertical, using vertical turns to acheive an angle on the target by using said vertical turns to get inside the turns of the better turning aircraft.  But as will all things, YMMV.


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[B4Buster]

The only time it's advisable to flat turn in a P-38 is when you're against a poorer turning aircraft.  If you manage to out 'flat-turn' someone in a P-38 and they are in a better turning aircraft, you just ran into someone that isn't very experienced and is probably flying with stall-limiter on.  The fact is, in the flat turn the P-38 is very poor in this regard, the P-38's turning strength is in the vertical, using vertical turns to acheive an angle on the target by using said vertical turns to get inside the turns of the better turning aircraft.  But as will all things, YMMV.
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Only thing I can say is, people have their own style, some TnB, some BnZ

If you're on someone's 6, say a spit 16, you have sn angle advantage. As far as flat turning with someone on MY 6? no way, i'll agree with you there.

[Murdr]

Co-speed on the deck in sustained flat turns, any spit, 109E & F, N1k2, F6f5, any F4U, just to name a few should be able to eventually drive around the circle on a P-38, or have enough of a smaller turn radius to gain angles.  Some quicker than others.  If they don't it is the pilots fault, not because the P-38 is 'excellent' at flat turns.

It's not about style.

[trigger2]

It's not about style.

Whaaaaaaat?
I thought you had to make it look good to in order for it to count!

[helbent]

Always interesting seeing the fight from both points of views.

Thx for posting

[B4Buster]

Co-speed on the deck in sustained flat turns, any spit, 109E & F, N1k2, F6f5, any F4U,

Everyone has their own opinion, not trying to call anyone out or anything, some people tend to take things the wrong way.

Murdr I totally agree with all those planes except the N1K, I don't have too much trouble with them unless the pilot is pretty experienced in it.
I always keep 109E and Fs in the vert if possible, if not i'll extend, I don't mess with those little buggers. Luckily, you don't see many EW 109s in the LW arenas though, I know you MW guys see a different planeset though, would be interesting to see how you handle them

[TwinBoom]

38`s suk

[Ack-Ack]

I know you MW guys see a different planeset though, would be interesting to see how you handle them

Like a drunken fat chick at a frat party on a Friday night.


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