Norwegin Aces

[bozon]

Of course the US would not retreat or surrender. It would "fight the other way", "tactically maneuver to fight another day" or just paint it pink. When was the last time the US was fighting on its soil? and I don't mean gang wars.

The simple fact is that the Norwegian surrendered to SAVE their civilians. They were being invaded about the time that the French and Brits were getting their tulips kicked out of mainland Europe and it was clear that this is a fight they cannot win. The Germans had no intent of enslaving or gassing the Norwegians like some others. Their dispersed population and way of life meant that they will suffer much less under occupation than other urbanite cultures. It would have been stupid to fight to the death at that point. Would have made a great heroic story of stupid men and some great Hollywood movies that's true. Perhaps "300 Norwegians"?

[Angus]

The Norwegian campaign was about to end when the Germans went for France and the lowlands (10th of may). But the Norse were fighting, in the vague hope that the UK and French might give a hand.
Those hopes were gone when the Panzers went rolling into the lowlands.
The point to save the civilians is IMHO quite valid, since the Germans had shown from the beginning (Polish campaign) that they would strike directly at the population. The Danish surrendered when LW bombers started buzzing over Copenhagen. The Polish surrendered after Warshaw was firebombed. And the Dutch were to surrender when Rotterdam was flattened.
Now hangtime:
"I doubt seriously that a single US Army Division, in the field, on it's home turf, standing between an invader and 3 million american men women and kids and their homes would surrender after the loss of only 1330 men."
Doubt as you like. Bear in mind that from day one all the biggest towns of Norway were in German hands.
Tough to be a division commander when you know the enemy already holds your wife and kids, and you can do nothing when enemy bombers buzz over your head to bomb civilian targets...perhaps.
All big words....

[Hangtime]

and there it is.

The crux... and the difference between our national cultures.

I believe we'd charge a much higher price for our Freedom than Norway did for theirs.

The price of Freedom is the willingness to do sudden battle, anywhere, any time and with utter recklessness...

...at home, or abroad.

There it is..  read it and weep.

[Bronk]

LAWLZ, epic reply...

Truly it was... Dickie boi made it all about service and under fire. Now for some strange reason it is not.

Wonder why that is?  ( He asked knowingly.)

[Bronk]

The bigger the Lie. The more they believe.
Norway never surrendered.
The bigger the Lie. The more they believe.
 

[DiabloTX]

Exactly.  Why ask a question if you know you're not going to like the reply.

According to his arguement I shouldn't have an opinion on politics since I've never served a day in office, or football as I have played since little league, or an opinion on a BBS because, well, it's a BBS.

[Angus]

and there it is.

The crux... and the difference between our national cultures.

I believe we'd charge a much higher price for our Freedom than Norway did for theirs.

The price of Freedom is the willingness to do sudden battle, anywhere, any time and with utter recklessness...

...at home, or abroad.

There it is..  read it and weep.

Knowing the Norse as well as some Americans, I tend to think the Americans would buckle quicker in the same position. Much quicker. No weeping.
US forces have after all lost many battles without being in THAT position.

[Rich46yo]

Hang Time you sound like the human equivalent of a Summers Eve product. Lemon if you must know.

Its isn't so much what you said but "how" you said it, and "why" you even bothered. A resident of a fellow NATO member voiced pride over some of Norway's sons who fought well and courageously in WW-2. And many did. Instead you turned it into an insult fest.

You sound like trash dude. And I have a policy myself. I dont make threats, or respond to them, unless I'm looking into someones eyeballs.

Sheesh, you got Bronk as a troll buddy here. Does that not tell you how low you sunk?

Just let it go man.

[uptown]

Knowing the Norse as well as some Americans, I tend to think the Americans would buckle quicker in the same position. Much quicker. No weeping.
US forces have after all lost many battles without being in THAT position.

I salute the Norse people for their courage and bravery thoughout history. They're a fine proud people that has my utmost respect.

Now, as far as the American people "buckling"....never! My government is weak and incompentent, not the people. We would fight any foreign invader with deer rifles and slingshots if need be to not be beat at home. God help the country that comes to our shores for a fight for we'll send them to back to hell with a vengence that would make Hitler look like a alter boy. The American people the world sees though our media and hollywood is not the people that represent the people I know, whatsoever.
the people I know are God fearing, hard working people that fight tooth and nail when pushed. My government my surrender to whoever they want to, but I assure you the American people will not....ever!

Just for the record: the Norse people did not surrender

[bongaroo]

This thread is making me sad.   


The USA and it's citizens have never faced what those countries faced at the time and attempts to compare and hypothesize what would have happened are unfair to all involved.

[CAVPFCDD]

This thread is making me sad.  


The USA and it's citizens have never faced what those countries faced at the time and attempts to compare and hypothesize what would have happened are unfair to all involved.

you beat me to it.

The US is a super power, Norway is not... apples to oranges

Norway stood up to a super power and fought them before surrendering the longest of any of the occupied countries...

That is bravery and will power... so lets end this discussion and name calling

Norway surrendered, but they did what they could with what they had and what they did do took some guts

besides norway later produced this

[Angus]

Norway didn't surrender

[Rich46yo]

  To the sons and daughters of Norway who stood up to the aggressors, fought back, aided their allies, and stood by us for decades as NATO members against the terror of The Soviet Union.

Thats all this thread was about. A proud Norwegian paying homage to them. I apologize to the group for letting the flames get out of hand but I felt no-one had the right to insult these Allies of ours. Not in a thread like this.

[Elfie]

The US is a super power, Norway is not... apples to oranges

Neither country was a Superpower prior to WW2....Apples to Apples.......

[Hangtime]

Norway didn't surrender

nah. they capitulated.

can't really blame 'em tho... they were on their march to destiny; their moment in History. There was much wailing, gnashing of teeth; the Poles, French and British came to help, lost more men in the process than Norway did, (2,700 Brits, 500 Poles and French died defending Norway) and they decided to accept the yoke... the capitulation is entirely understandable. It was Norway. Not England. There were no 'We shall fight on the beaches...' speeches.. just the cold reality of capitulation, collaboration and occupation. There's evidence the Norwegian troops were willing to fight.. Gloppedalsura comes tro mind.. Norways Thermopylae; a small Norwegian unit held up a German Battalion for a day. But orders are orders..



In the US Military, Divisional losses in combat in Europe during WWII often ran to excess of 50%.. to ignore that military standards and determination to fight in American units was and is of different standards than those of Norway while faced with the defense of their own nation is to ignore history and the facts.

Hang Time you sound like the human equivalent of a Summers Eve product. Lemon if you must know.

Its isn't so much what you said but "how" you said it, and "why" you even bothered. A resident of a fellow NATO member voiced pride over some of Norway's sons who fought well and courageously in WW-2. And many did. Instead you turned it into an insult fest.

You sound like trash dude. And I have a policy myself. I dont make threats, or respond to them, unless I'm looking into someones eyeballs.

Sheesh, you got Bronk as a troll buddy here. Does that not tell you how low you sunk?

Just let it go man.

Let what go? You? Sure.. it's abundantly clear your incapable of dealing with facts or even producing an argument containing any valid ones. All you've got is insults and innuendo in this thread. But your doing great as an apologist...

 I apologize to the group for letting the flames get out of hand but I felt no-one had the right to insult these Allies of ours. Not in a thread like this.

The truth? Nope.. won't let that go. Watching Europe and Japan regurgitate revisionist BS without stepping in with a swift dose of truth would not be keeping the faith. We have a duty to the folks that fought and died for Freedom to not mince the truth... painful or not.

LOL.. you can't even handle a kiss off without botching it... what's with the slap at Bronk? Puppy, yer just an amazing pile of insecurity ain't yah? I bet if Bronk walked into a room you were in you'd pee on the floor like the puppy you are.

Tuff Guy.