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Re: Norwegin Aces
« Reply #150 on: December 23, 2008, 06:44:32 PM »
This topic seems convoluted enough, the focal point seems to be Norway and it's surrender in WW2.  Now you're bringing Scandinavians into it?

you are aware norway is in scandinavia?


and if you didn't that would explain alot about you and your opinions
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Re: Norwegin Aces
« Reply #151 on: December 23, 2008, 06:55:21 PM »
You are getting softer...  Only three us dorks are trying to bash me... Shame.

"Folks! It's a WW2 time! > Black corner: Germany and Blue corner: Norway... >Place the bets...."

Since the all mighty us cheap sale the finland with others to the russia, we didn't have a too much room for the surviving.

Laughs...

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What about that your 'Tour of duty' vs our 'Scandinavian fight for life' question?

 

'us dorks'?

Ahh. you mean 'Americans'.

Well then.. should you care to enlighten 'us dorks' how we managed to 'sell' you to the russians? That's a new one.

As for 'Tour' vs 'Fight for Life', American troops served WWII 'for the duration'. Where your troops fought for a few days out of two months and capitulated, American ground forces faced the Germans from 8 November 1942 till the war was finished.. and you were freed from your oppressors.

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Re: Norwegin Aces
« Reply #152 on: December 23, 2008, 07:04:22 PM »
Well, I think we should all thank the Norwegians for the help the underground gave the Brits when they bombed the cliff overhanging that heavy water plant with Mossies.

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Re: Norwegin Aces
« Reply #153 on: December 23, 2008, 07:12:55 PM »
Oh, you betcha!

There were more than a few brave Norwegians in the resistance.... no question there. There were quite a few more Quislings though; 'collaborationisim' apparently being something of a National Pastime there.

Now Sweden, on the other hand, being Neutral, enjoyed sitting on the sidelines, making money with all sides. The Finns, over there to the east and facing the Russians.. well, they did a bit better, fought like lions. I guess the Scandinavians are picky about who occupies them.
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Re: Norwegin Aces
« Reply #154 on: December 23, 2008, 07:53:49 PM »
Now Sweden, on the other hand, being Neutral, enjoyed sitting on the sidelines, making money with all sides. The Finns, over there to the east and facing the Russians.. well, they did a bit better, fought like lions. I guess the Scandinavians are picky about who occupies them.

hey dumb arse why dont you actually read about a subject you are going to run your mouth about??????

would you like a little taste of the actual history? try this for flavor.....

Finland lost in the Winter War Carelia and Salla regions and rented Hanko to the Soviet Union for 50 years. 420000 inhabitants left their homes and had to be resettled in to the remaining country. Severe peace terms were a hard blow and the nation was bitter towards Soviet Union. There was all the time a threat of a renewed attack by the Soviet Union. Armed forces were kept at high levels of readiness and had more men than normally in peacetime. Army consisted of 12 brigades and special units (cavalry , tank battalion, etc) at this time. Finland tried to seek protection from the Germany, because France and Britain were defeated in summer 1940. Hitler was more willing to deal with Finns than earlier, since he decided in Aug 1940 to deal with Soviet Union next summer and tried to get allies. There was a secret draft in Finland in order to get volunteers for a Finnish SS-battalion. Battalion was formed and it was part of the 5th SS-Panzergrenadierdivision 'Wiking'. Also Hitler refused to let the Soviets to deal finally with Finland, when Molotov asked Hitler's opinion on that matter in Nov 1940. Finns granted also a permission for German troops to traverse through the Finnish territory to the occupied Northern Norway. Finland mobilised it's army on the 17 June in anticipation of German attack on Soviet Union or Soviet attack on Finland. But 22 June when Germans attacked, Finland declared neutrality, though German planes had refueled in Finnish airbases when they returned from bombing Leningrad and German troops were ready to attack Murmansk in the Arctic. Russians bombed many towns on 25 June , and president Ryti stated that Finland is at war again. Finland's aims of the war were to get back areas lost in the Winter War and to get good positions to negotiate peace if Germans can't destroy the Soviet Union. Finns never considered themselves as Germany's allies, but as a co-belligerent waging own war with our goals.



the finns were german allies of a sort you tard! can you actually run your mouth so much about something you took no time to learn about?

http://www.lysator.liu.se/nordic/mirror/sa-int/hist.html here is the finnish time line in case your interested in actually learning something.

and here is one about the swedes in case your curios http://www.feldgrau.com/sweden.html

it is people like you that give americans a bad name in the world. if you dont know what happened then either learn it or shut up about it.

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Re: Norwegin Aces
« Reply #155 on: December 23, 2008, 07:55:02 PM »
Wow this thread is comedy gold. Some of you guys take history way to seriously...



What corner did flotsam and Rich46squeakslapped go to and weep softly together in? I want to point and laugh.  :t
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Re: Norwegin Aces
« Reply #156 on: December 23, 2008, 08:00:44 PM »
Wow this thread is comedy gold. Some of you guys take history way to seriously...



What corner did flotsam and Rich46squeakslapped go to and weep softly together in? I want to point and laugh.  :t

and yet another tardlet queen heard from!

got nothing actual and factual to add to the conversation so instead lets just blubber stupidity and pretend we were funny!

must be great going through life this ignorant, takes alot of the pressure of REALITY off your shoulders doesnt it.

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Re: Norwegin Aces
« Reply #157 on: December 23, 2008, 08:09:31 PM »
LAWLZ...even more epicness! ! !
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Re: Norwegin Aces
« Reply #158 on: December 23, 2008, 08:14:40 PM »
hey dumb arse . . .

FLOTSOM
:lol The guy compliments Finland for their fighting spirit and you go off on a rant like it was an insult . . . think you earned your own label on that one.
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Re: Norwegin Aces
« Reply #159 on: December 23, 2008, 08:18:23 PM »
:lol The guy compliments Finland for their fighting spirit and you go off on a rant like it was an insult . . . think you earned your own label on that one.
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Re: Norwegin Aces
« Reply #160 on: December 23, 2008, 08:33:43 PM »
and yet another tardlet queen heard from!

got nothing actual and factual to add to the conversation so instead lets just blubber stupidity and pretend we were funny!

must be great going through life this ignorant, takes alot of the pressure of REALITY off your shoulders doesnt it.

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lighten up Francis...

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Re: Norwegin Aces
« Reply #161 on: December 23, 2008, 08:36:06 PM »
What ever happened to LTARGlok anyway?
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Re: Norwegin Aces
« Reply #162 on: December 23, 2008, 08:48:54 PM »
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Re: Norwegin Aces
« Reply #163 on: December 23, 2008, 09:11:42 PM »
What ever happened to LTARGlok anyway?

I kinda suspect its slamfire.

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Re: Norwegin Aces
« Reply #164 on: December 23, 2008, 09:18:54 PM »
:lol The guy compliments Finland for their fighting spirit and you go off on a rant like it was an insult . . . think you earned your own label on that one.

and another twit heard from.

why dont you read everything instead of taking only a piece out of the middle.

The Finns were invaded by the Russians... and resisted fiercely. They were forced to cede territory.. but never suffered occupation, never capitulated and did in fact declare war on Germany. Finlands interest in the war was Finland.. and it defended itself and it's sovereignty effectively.

The Republic of Finland was attacked by the USSR on 30 November 1939.[8] Later Finland and the Kingdom of Denmark officially joined the Axis Anti-Comintern Pact. The Kingdom of Sweden remained officially neutral. Following the Moscow armistice of September 1944, Finland effectively joined the Allies and expelled German forces. This led to a series of armed clashes called the Lapland War.


the ceding of territory is occupation, as well as the forced renting of land against the owners will. and the finns didn't hold out against the Germans, they put up resistance against the Russians. he was being very selective about the facts he bothered to state.

he has been implying that the finn's fought against the Germans throughout the war. they did not, they joined the germans fought along side of the Germans and allowed Germany to place troops and equipment in Finland. the fins did fight like lions, for and along side of the germans.

they negotiated for peace with the russians after the war had turned against germany. but not before that. as long as the war was looking like it was going well for the germans they sided with them, then they turned on the germans.

yep thats really brave isnt it? your side losing well then switch, that's honorable right?

the finns did the smart thing and looked to make what ever deal was going to keep their population safest, nothing more nothing less. nothing different than any other country would have done if given the option.

the Norwegians did the same. they looked to saving the lives of their people in a war they stood no chance in. but they did have an underground resistance and they did aid the allies whenever possible. the finns did not.

i have never stated that the Norwegians didn't surrender, but i find it offensive when people who have never had to stand in their own backyards between their families and the war machine of their enemies make judgments on the actions of those who have.

you all talk so tough, like you would have done anything different.

i am especially offended by the Americans in this thread that would dare to judge these Europeans. it has never been our families that were under threat of bombardment and utter annihilation by a foreign  aggressor so who the hell are we to ever make the demand that others should have held out longer?

it is far easier for a man to be willing to hold out till the last bullet is fired when his family is not being shelled until he does surrender. watching your family dieing is not a moral booster.

the brits only lasted because the Germans never put boots in England, had the Germans invaded things would have been very different for them. i think the "we will never surrender" statement would have been revisited at that point.

so before posting some selective and edited version why don't you take the time to learn the history.

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