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Offline VonMessa

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Re: Cherry Picker
« Reply #75 on: December 30, 2008, 12:35:44 PM »
Really... I'm glad you have knowledge off all the things I do in AH.

Just so ya know Zaz ya don't need warp speed ac to pick...but it helps. :aok


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Have you ever tried picking in a 109-E?            

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Re: Cherry Picker
« Reply #76 on: December 30, 2008, 12:41:59 PM »

I need it.  

Have you ever tried picking in a 109-E?            

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You seen (or is that saw) me last night in that FM2 didn't ya. 2 of those kills were outright picks.
ZOMG I'm a picker arrrrgggghhhhhh!.

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Re: Cherry Picker
« Reply #77 on: December 30, 2008, 12:44:04 PM »
Speed = Initiative, Initiative = Pro-active aggressiveness.

Therefore, the slower your aircraft the more likely you will be in reactionary mode, defensive and unable to maintain an aggressive posture for any protracted period sufficient to consummate the kill...If you try you are probably rendering yourself vulnerable to being cherry picked. This is why aircraft have developed to be faster over time not tighter turning.

Zaz all ya need is speed and timing.... see my above post.
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Re: Cherry Picker
« Reply #78 on: December 30, 2008, 12:51:01 PM »
I'd say any time someone is engaged and you clear you buddies 6 it is a pick. Here is where the problem comes in.... In a furball fight many times folks are clearing eachother which is not frowned upon. The problem comes about when someone just sits up high and is not involved in the furball but simply drops in trying to score a kill. The latter is a cherry picker IMHO. Kind of like someone getting a medal when they were hiding behind a rock when the rest of the unit was in harms way.
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Re: Cherry Picker
« Reply #79 on: December 30, 2008, 12:52:31 PM »
The latter is a cherry picker IMHO. Kind of like someone getting a medal when they were hiding behind a rock when the rest of the unit was in harms way.

Pretty dramatic isnt it were talking about a cartoon plane game here.  hehe
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Re: Cherry Picker
« Reply #80 on: December 30, 2008, 12:53:12 PM »
It is also interesting that this term is used mostly in a negative meaning, whereas a true "cherry picker" is someone who has eye for, and bothers to pick and select only the best and most delicious cherries. I suppose it has degenerated to mean also picking just the easiest cherries.

A common noob here calls anyone, who shoots him down while he "is engaged" with another enemy, a cherry picker :lol ... and thus actually calls himself an easy target :rofl


lol!!

Then count me as one who bothers to pick and select only the best and most delicious cherries.

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Re: Cherry Picker
« Reply #81 on: December 30, 2008, 12:55:28 PM »
Pretty dramatic isnt it were talking about a cartoon plane game here.  hehe

Catoon plane yup..... but you have to explain it so that even the weakest link can comprehend what you are trying to say.


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Re: Cherry Picker
« Reply #82 on: December 30, 2008, 01:06:23 PM »
Speed = Initiative, Initiative = Pro-active aggressiveness.

Therefore, the slower your aircraft the more likely you will be in reactionary mode, defensive and unable to maintain an aggressive posture for any protracted period sufficient to consummate the kill...If you try you are probably rendering yourself vulnerable to being cherry picked. This is why aircraft have developed to be faster over time not tighter turning.

Say again on the development bit?  Seems like they figured out with the F4 that being able to turn was more valuable then flat out speed.  Adding slats to the F4E and S cut down speed but improved the turning ability.  The F14, 15, 16 and the reintroduction of guns were all a response to figuring out speed was not the only answer.  I would imagine that the F22, Eurofighter, and any of the latest Russian birds place emphasis on the ability to maneuver as well.

They got away from ACM for a while and it cost the USAF and USN big time in Vietnam until they got back into it.  

Too many in the AH crowd don't have a clue about ACM, which considering we don't really die, is just sad for an air combat game.
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Re: Cherry Picker
« Reply #83 on: December 30, 2008, 01:07:41 PM »
Can anyone say "Thrust Vectoring" ?
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Re: Cherry Picker
« Reply #84 on: December 30, 2008, 01:10:07 PM »
Can anyone say "Thrust Vectoring" ?
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« Reply #85 on: December 30, 2008, 01:13:14 PM »
Unicorn.....has to be.

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Re: Cherry Picker
« Reply #86 on: December 30, 2008, 01:38:53 PM »


Too many in the AH crowd don't have a clue about ACM, which considering we don't really die, is just sad for an air combat game.

I'd say too many in the game equate the quality of ACM to be in direct proportion to the G load on the airframe.

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« Reply #87 on: December 30, 2008, 01:46:21 PM »
I'd say too many in the game equate the quality of ACM to be in direct proportion to the G load on the airframe.

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Re: Cherry Picker
« Reply #88 on: December 30, 2008, 02:01:29 PM »
You seen (or is that saw) me last night in that FM2 didn't ya. 2 of those kills were outright picks.
ZOMG I'm a picker arrrrgggghhhhhh!.



Looked OK to me.

I go back to my original question, though.

Is it still a pick once the pickee is aware that he has been chosen for the basket?
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Re: Cherry Picker
« Reply #89 on: December 30, 2008, 02:07:13 PM »
I'd say any time someone is engaged and you clear you buddies 6 it is a pick. Here is where the problem comes in.... In a furball fight many times folks are clearing eachother which is not frowned upon. The problem comes about when someone just sits up high and is not involved in the furball but simply drops in trying to score a kill. The latter is a cherry picker IMHO. Kind of like someone getting a medal when they were hiding behind a rock when the rest of the unit was in harms way.

When confronted by a veritable sea of Spit16's, Nikis, Hurris and La7's keeping them at arm's length is precisely what you should do. Most complex engagements in AH are predominantly of that typical composition. To get deeply involved with them is to play "their game". The way to defeat them is to exploit energy and position to negate their numerical and maneuverability advantage. The art of doing that is not something everyone can do with a high degree of proficiency, if everyone could do it proficiently there wouldn't be a sea of Spit16's, Niki's, Hurris and La7s. There'd be a sea of Fw190s, Jugs, Typhoons and Ponies and we'd be playing an entirely different game.

People who are proficient at Cherrypicking are extremely valuable in a complex engagement, they have a force multiplication effect because not only are they destroying enemy fighters, they are saving other friendly fighters from destruction and less likely to be destroyed themselves in the process. So, a cherrypicker is at least twice as impactful in terms of the net effect on the ebb and flow of an air battle as the typical 1 vs. 1 duelist is.
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